Make no mistake about it, there was no mistake in filing the wrong forms. It was fraud, they were caught and will be deported in full compliance with the law, unless private bill passes or the President grants them clemency (so... unlikely).
iperson and explora still fail to understand that illegal aliens are not a race...therefore, one cannot be a bigot nor racist because one does not support illegal aliens...when are you going to understand this simple principle? Whenever illegal alien supporters cannot win an argument on fact nor merit, they haul out the racism or KKK horsemanure card....sorry, but that doesn't work. And, the First Amendment will still be around no matter who is in office....and thus, I will still be posting my thoughts while you two keep playing with each other. Fraud=fraud=fraud... next, you two imbeciles will try to claim that the IJ is a racist...yet why hasn't this decision been overturned on that basis hmm???
When I started reading the article I was thinking "Oh my God, what typo or innocent mistake these couple could have made?" I felt bad for this couple thinking they were the victims of some burocratical procedure. But then I saw the light. The author makes it sound like a technicality and doesnt explain the seriousness of the situation.
This was total and premeditated fraud. If the petitioners (the mothers) were LPR, then there is no visa for married children and the couple should not have come to the US at all (until the petitioners became USC). If they were USC, then their priority dates would have been different (a few more years of waiting). They didnt come to the US together and each ones was granted a visa at a different time. That means they BOTH had the "mistake". They lied all the way through the process: filling out the forms at the Embassy, interview, customs, filling out the forms for Green Card, etc. They both agreed on telling US officials they were single.
My parents are LPR and they petition for my sister 4 years ago. She knows she cant get married. She has to make a choice. This couple had a choice. It's funny someone said that they did the honorable thing by getting married but apparently they had no problem lying to US official (is that honorable?).
I was curious about that honorable and diciplinary father comment too. I wonder how old the children are. Perhaps the honor had to do with the would be doctor at the time getting his girlfriend pregnant. Diciplinary, that he was going to enact some revenge if he didn't marry hs daughter. Why did they have to elope? Usually you don't do that unless there is some shame involved. See what happens when the parents think of themselves. They took off to America and left their kids behind. The plot thickens.
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remember, davdah, that according to proudusc, there are two kinds of fraud: the "regular" kind (you know, lying, providing false documents or false information on government forms or during interviews) and then there is the "honorable" fraud: you know, lying, providing false documents or false information on government forms or during interviews)...whoops....gee, they sound the same....because they are.....fraud=fraud and no IJ can just decide to 'overlook' it even if proudusc and other double-digit IQ types believe otherwise....
Originally posted by Someone12: remember, davdah, that according to proudusc, there are two kinds of fraud: the "regular" kind (you know, lying, providing false documents or false information on government forms or during interviews) and then there is the "honorable" fraud: you know, lying, providing false documents or false information on government forms or during interviews)...whoops....gee, they sound the same....because they are.....fraud=fraud and no IJ can just decide to 'overlook' it even if proudusc and other double-digit IQ types believe otherwise....
Originally posted by Cayita: When I started reading the article I was thinking "Oh my God, what typo or innocent mistake these couple could have made?" I felt bad for this couple thinking they were the victims of some burocratical procedure. But then I saw the light. The author makes it sound like a technicality and doesnt explain the seriousness of the situation.
This was total and premeditated fraud. If the petitioners (the mothers) were LPR, then there is no visa for married children and the couple should not have come to the US at all (until the petitioners became USC). If they were USC, then their priority dates would have been different (a few more years of waiting). They didnt come to the US together and each ones was granted a visa at a different time. That means they BOTH had the "mistake". They lied all the way through the process: filling out the forms at the Embassy, interview, customs, filling out the forms for Green Card, etc. They both agreed on telling US officials they were single.
My parents are LPR and they petition for my sister 4 years ago. She knows she cant get married. She has to make a choice. This couple had a choice. It's funny someone said that they did the honorable thing by getting married but apparently they had no problem lying to US official (is that honorable?).
So, you are saying an honest mistake of the mother not notifying INS that the children were now married is considered immigration fraud?
But lets look at the facts, shall we: 1. Mother of both immigrants filed the appropriate forms. 2. While they were waiting, they got married because of a disciplinarian father. 3. Complied with every other law to become citizens. 4. DHS says they need to be deported because they are a threat to the community. So, a physcian is now a threat, or is it the color of the skin or nationality. His father must be truning in his grave right now.
This case is a poster child for what is wrong with the immigration system. Ms Servano waited several years while Mr. Servano waited a little longer. In the meantime, they married. What was not intended with priority dates for LPR's that the initial INA was codified was the wait times. Now, as a LPR, the wait times are unrealistic. Even for USC, they are unrealistic with separate filing for the children, either married or single.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
Originally posted by davdah: I was curious about that honorable and diciplinary father comment too. I wonder how old the children are. Perhaps the honor had to do with the would be doctor at the time getting his girlfriend pregnant. Diciplinary, that he was going to enact some revenge if he didn't marry hs daughter. Why did they have to elope? Usually you don't do that unless there is some shame involved. See what happens when the parents think of themselves. They took off to America and left their kids behind. The plot thickens.
Honor has curious underpins which you, nor S12, nor Cayita can never fully comprehend in this lifetime or the next. But for you, you have no honor. Here is what you have admitted that is not honorable: 1. Lived with a woman before marriage. Not honorable nor respectful from many perspectives, but what you care? 2. Filed a prenuptial as a condition of marriage. Again, not honorable. You are basically saying that you do not trust her, yet you want to marry her. I find this highly suspicious. 3. And finally, you have vilified her customs and traditions for your own selfishness. Again, not honorable to be selfish and not respecting your wife's heritage and customs.
You have no honor here, yet you riled on someone who made a mistake while claiming he or she had no honor. In a word, hypocrisy;.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
That was quite a comeback, S12. Bravo! I never said there was anything honorable about fraud. Those were your words. To remind you, I said this couple made an honorable mistake by getting married. Why in the world, 23 years ago, did it take Immigration over 2 years to process their applications? There was no intent to defraud the government. They were single when they were petitioned by their moms. There should be some statute of limitations regarding these old cases. They made a mistake, but in my opinion, our government is making a bigger one by wasting tax dollars to deport these folks. I say leave them alone!!!!!!
sorry, that doesn't fly....yes, they were single at one time, but, at the time of their interview, they were married and no doubt KNEW that if they rechecked the 'married' box, they would have to wait another 4-6 years before they could have received an immigrant visa....but they decided to make the 'honorable' mistake-- what is 'honorable' about committing fraud? The question was simple: single or married...not much to decide about, unless one wants to commit fraud and apparently that's what they decided and now must pay the piper....too bad. Did they have numerous opportunities to tell our authorities otherwise? Yes. Did they do so? No. Why? Because they are fraudsters and fraudsters always hope they can plead 'forgetfulness' or 'lack of understanding' or any other excuse that is full of horsemanure...that's the key,,,,over the years, they could have tried to rectify this situation, but instead thought that the USG was stupid...how stupid is the USG now?
ICE should be spending their time tracking down the illegals who are committing crimes, not wasting their efforts on a couple who did not enter the country illegally. They have been upstanding people in their community and do not deserve to be booted out.
I guess this picture is representative of how you truly feel about immigration:
ok proudusc...here's your big chance....find ONE single post of mine where I have stated that the US of A should close the borders or end all immigration...please, just one. Find it and I shall never post on this site again(except to congratulate you and say 'goodbye') But see, you dodged the issue (again)...fraudsters should not be rewarded-- these two are fraudsters, ergo, goodbye. Come on....one little bitty post of mine (verified, of course, in case you make an 'honorable' mistake retyping one of mine) and I am out your face....what have you got to lose?????
Originally posted by Someone12: sorry, that doesn't fly....yes, they were single at one time, but, at the time of their interview, they were married and no doubt KNEW that if they rechecked the 'married' box, they would have to wait another 4-6 years before they could have received an immigrant visa....but they decided to make the 'honorable' mistake-- what is 'honorable' about committing fraud? The question was simple: single or married...not much to decide about, unless one wants to commit fraud and apparently that's what they decided and now must pay the piper....too bad. Did they have numerous opportunities to tell our authorities otherwise? Yes. Did they do so? No. Why? Because they are fraudsters and fraudsters always hope they can plead 'forgetfulness' or 'lack of understanding' or any other excuse that is full of horsemanure...that's the key,,,,over the years, they could have tried to rectify this situation, but instead thought that the USG was stupid...how stupid is the USG now?
Assuming there was an interview to begin with. Why don't you take a look at the 1965 Immigration Act. It loosen the strict immigration laws and allowed more people to come in, especially from non European countries. It is quite possible the interview did not focus on marital status, just relationship. That is because the law had a dual system, occupational and relative-selective. Besides, it was the mother, not them, who filled out the paperwork dufus. It would have been more foolish for ICE to go after the ailing mother and widow of a Bataan Death March survivor.
What you are doing is transposing todays procedures of what you thought should have happened 28 years ago. The immigraton procedures of the 1980's were vastly different. Most Americans did not even know what an immigrant was, nor an illegal immigrant. Those were lawyer terms that the majority of the population did not know and did not care.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
Originally posted by Someone12: ok proudusc...here's your big chance....find ONE single post of mine where I have stated that the US of A should close the borders or end all immigration...please, just one. Find it and I shall never post on this site again(except to congratulate you and say 'goodbye') But see, you dodged the issue (again)...fraudsters should not be rewarded-- these two are fraudsters, ergo, goodbye. Come on....one little bitty post of mine (verified, of course, in case you make an 'honorable' mistake retyping one of mine) and I am out your face....what have you got to lose?????
Sorry, I don't have that kind of time to waste, S12. You might not have come right out and said it, but it's clear how you feel. I'm not really fond of digging through manure, so I will politely decline your challenge.
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it is amazing what a lack of courage and fortitude you have,,,,all you can do is cut and paste 'god bless America' and ramble on in your uninformed way...then, when given the chance to defend one of your ill-informed opinions, yuou dodge it...and now, given a chance to once again back up your claim against me, you decline....what a wimp....come on,...you claim I am against LEGAL immigration???? Prove it...find one post of mine....but you are nothing but a wimp...no courage....no backbone....yet you think anyone besides a couple of visa cheats would place any credence in anything you say? Why? You know absolutely nothing, repeat, nothing about our immigration laws....and when challenged to support you views, yep, another dodge.....
Originally posted by Someone12: ok proudusc...here's your big chance....find ONE single post of mine where I have stated that the US of A should close the borders or end all immigration...please, just one. Find it and I shall never post on this site again(except to congratulate you and say 'goodbye') But see, you dodged the issue (again)...fraudsters should not be rewarded-- these two are fraudsters, ergo, goodbye. Come on....one little bitty post of mine (verified, of course, in case you make an 'honorable' mistake retyping one of mine) and I am out your face....what have you got to lose?????
Sorry, I don't have that kind of time to waste, S12. You might not have come right out and said it, but it's clear how you feel. I'm not really fond of digging through manure, so I will politely decline your challenge.
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