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Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:
I'm sorry I have to say this but....

Pro....Someone to blame for all that is going wrong with this country.

(The US are not the only ones doing it either)


Other Pro's:

Someone to look down on, even if you are a loser


Most likely to hold a job down and work harder for less money

WORK 4LESS MONEY, but this is not a pro becuase it helps to depress prevailing wages for usc and lpr. This practice has helped drive down reasonable wages to make a decent living for the standards of usc/Lpr and family.

How many undocumented mothers give birth to usc children only to collect welfare on behalf of usc child. These are working harder for less money too? There is a lot of them eating Bon bons and watching tv while usc/lpr taxpayers support them and their children. yea this is a pro.. but 4who?


More profits for those who hire them

TRUE
A pro for sleazy employer that does not pass on the savings to consumer by hiring illegals.. just lines his own pockets for profits while screwing usc/lpr. and breaks the law. so this too cannot be a pro. ENABLERS!

Some pay taxes but not entitled to tax refund
FALSE
This is totally untrue.

I am not pro illegal, just stating facts

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Originally posted by Barron:
Hello im a sophmore at a high school working on a Debate about Immigration. My Partner and i are working to find information about the Pro's of Illegal Immigration and i would like to see what people think about this subject

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Some pay taxes but not entitled to tax refund

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Some pay taxes but not entitled to tax refund

Actually, this is false. So is 4now's assumption too. The part that is false is that illegal aliens are not entitled to a refund. A refund, by IRS definitions, is that payments are more than the tax. A tax is not only income tax, but also the additional taxes that could occur such as uncollected social security tax, self employment tax, recapture tax, etc. Payments include federal income tax withholding, estimated tax payments, refundable credits, etc. If payments are more than the tax, then a refundd is generated. If the name and TIN matches, including an TIIN, then a refund will be issued.

Paying tax, depending on how you define it, also includes illegal aliens. Problem is only estimates can be obtained throgh economic studies on who pays and does not pay. And the other problem is illegals are mixed in with the rest of the taxpayers who fall in the same category.

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Originally posted by 4now:

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Some pay taxes but not entitled to tax refund

Actually, this is false. So is 4now's assumption too. The part that is false is that illegal aliens are not entitled to a refund. A refund, by IRS definitions, is that payments are more than the tax. A tax is not only income tax, but also the additional taxes that could occur such as uncollected social security tax, self employment tax, recapture tax, etc. Payments include federal income tax withholding, estimated tax payments, refundable credits, etc. If payments are more than the tax, then a refundd is generated. If the name and TIN matches, including an TIIN, then a refund will be issued.

Paying tax, depending on how you define it, also includes illegal aliens. Problem is only estimates can be obtained throgh economic studies on who pays and does not pay. And the other problem is illegals are mixed in with the rest of the taxpayers who fall in the same category.

And what pray tell does your crystal ball say what my assumption was since i did not infer or state anything in this matter other than what you confirmed? We both concluded false statement for not entitled to refund.

You really should stop trying to break into the medium profession. Best you stick with your day job buddy.

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Pros of illegal immigraation:


1. It helps keep the economy moving by filling low-wage jobs.

The wages have become low due to illegals taking jobs for dirt.
This is not a pro, and there are proper channels to fill if necessary using H visa.

2. It provides a better lifestyle for those who enter the country illegally.
How is this a pro for usc or america?

3. It creates a pool of consumers for a variety of goods and services.

This appears to be the only Pro that I dont think anyone can debunk. The food stores, the liqueor stores and retail stores certainly have profited from the presence of 20 million illegals.
4. Farmers are able to plant and harvest less expensively.

The provisions that were set up for this were supposed to be controlled with temporary migrant workers.. not illegals

5. Contributions to social security funds often go unclaimed.

There are procedures set that an illegal may join fake soc sec number with wages to his credit once proper soc sec reporting is enacted.


6. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes.

Only becausae they have no choice. like usc has no choice. unless they spend money in states Like Delaware that does not have sales tax


The following are not Pros really.. for whom?
7. Illegal residents, who are property owners, also pay real estate taxes.

8. Millions of illegals rent properties in depressed areas where renters are hard to find.


9. They purchase real estate and generate commissions for agents and brokers.

10. Illegal immigrants contribute to mortgage loan profits.

11. They open bank accounts that yield interest and dividends to bankers.

12. Many purchase auto insurance and contribute to insurers profits margins.