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THE RACE IS AT IT AGAIN . . . . OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK

Stop the Hate - Stop The National Council of La Raza's attempt to silence the voice of American opinion


Posted in Politics & Government, Illegal Aliens & Immigration Reforms on February 1st, 2008 by MorningStar

Before the United States Congress can seriously undertake the debate over this nation's very serious problems with immigration, the proponents of every side of that issue need to be able to express their opinions freely, offer what substantiation they have for their beliefs and be heard by all who would listen, however, this essential requirement for free and 2gunsDemocratic debate cannot be fulfilled if racist organizations like the federally funded National Council of La Raza, who use the American tax payers hard earned dollars to lobby against any American citizen who speak ill of their irresponsible agenda, are allowed the unprecedented preferential authority to silence opposing perspectives with entirely self serving fabricated allegations of "hate speech."

2gunsThe National Council of La Raza has done everything possible to turn the legitimate debate of this nation's immigration laws into a one sided racial issue where they, and only those who agree with them, are allowed to speak. Silencing the voice of the opposition with entirely contrived accusations of social inequity may be standard operating procedure in third world countries where tyranny is the expected norm, but in the United States of America, all men have the right to express themselves in Democratic debate, and for the American people to allow the ignorant and the manipulative the right to censor the thoughts and opinions of those who oppose them would be a true disservice to all men and women who hold this nation's welfare dear to their hearts, and to the Democratic traditions upon which this republic is founded.

gunsmileThe National Council of La Raza is a Hispanic supremacy organization that, thanks to this nation's more self-serving Democratic and Republican politicians, has been provided with a sufficiently dangerous level of political weight in our nation's capital. The National Council of La Raza have used their questionable influence and their federal funding to sow the seeds of racial unrest, to undermine the immigration laws of the United States, to disrupt the legislative process of our country, and to further their own divisive agenda to the detriment of American society, and now they want to silence the voices of those who speak out in opposition to the cowardly refusal of our elected representatives to effectively deal with the uncontrolled invasion of our nation by hordes of parasitic criminal aliens who hold our nation's laws in utter contempt. In a society that struggles to remain free and Democratic, the manipulative efforts of The National Council of La Raza can not be condoned and should not be tolerated.

John Stuart Mills wisely stated that, "there is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence; and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs, as protection against political despotism." To ensure the sanctity of American freedom the censure of political opinion must never be allowed because, as Mill's goes on to explain, gun-bandana"the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."

gun-bandanaIf The National Council of La Raza has a legitimate argument for the continued lack of border enforcement by our federal officials, if The National Council of La Raza can logically justify allowing the unprecedented invasion of our country by as many as 8,000 illegal aliens every week to continue unobstructed, and 2bricksif The National Council of La Raza can demonstrate any compelling reason why this nation should favor the more than 20 million criminal invaders now residing here with rights and benefits at the expense of the American tax payers, then they are free to express their opinions, voice their arguments and elaborate their justifications. If the immigration proposals expressed by The National Council of La Raza propose are truly in the best interests of this nation and the people who legally reside here, the logic of their arguments will be evident to all, and the American people will be well favored by the opportunity to exchange the erroneous opinions now held by the majority for a newfound truth that is both obvious and compelling. On the other hand, if the logic of what The National Council of La Raza proposes is flawed and their substantiation is weak in direct comparison to arguments of their opponents in this debate, then that too will be made evident, and again, all Americans will benefit from the "clearer perception and livelier impression of truth."

yesThe right of all men to express their opinions in debate is fundamental to American liberty, and any American citizen, who comprehends the importance of safeguarding the liberty that has made this nation the envy of the entire world, should easily understand the serious degradation of American freedom that would result if manipulative special interest groups are allowed the privilege of silencing their opponents with entirely contrived allegations of racism.

The freedom to express one's opinion is an inalienable right, given to all men by an authority much higher than any government established here on Earth, and that right, granted by the almighty, tt2is not subject to the capricious whim of manipulative political operators like The National Council of La Raza.
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On Guadalupe Hidalgo Day, Here's Why The U.S. Has Title To The Southwest

The Second Annual "National March for Immigrant Rights" is scheduled to be held on the U.S.-Mexico border on February 2nd.

Last year, the march was also held on February 2nd.

What's going on here? Why February 2nd?

gun-bandanaAnswer: February 2nd is the anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. That 1848 treaty officially ended the Mexican War and legally turned over most of the Southwest to the United States.

The average American doesn't know much about the Mexican War and thinks about it less.

But here in Mexico they do think about it"”a lot.

In Mexico, everybody knows that "the U.S. took half our national territory."

"La Intervención Norteamericana" has been described"”by Mexican writer and Nobel laureate Octavio Paz"”as "one of the most unjust wars of conquest in history."

gun-bandanaNot only that, but the loss of Mexico's northern territories has been used as a reason"”an excuse, really"”for the economic failures of Mexico compared to the economic success of the United States.

According to at least one poll, conducted in 2002 by Zogby in Mexico, 58% of respondents agreed with the statement that "the territory of the United States' Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico". [MS Word] Now that's definitely a different perspective.

In a lighter vein, some Mexicans jokingly quip that, when the U.S. took half of Mexico's territory, we took the half with the paved roads.

Some Americans are shocked to learn that Mexicans actually have a different historical perspective than we do.

How dare Mexicans say the U.S. took the Southwest from Mexico? How dare they have a different perspective than us?

It's time for a reality check. Different nations have different historical perspectives on the same historical events. That's one reason they are different nations.

Of course Mexicans say that the U.S. took (or even "stole") the Southwest! Why wouldn't they?

gun-bandanaWe've got to get over this naïve belief that everybody in the world has the same values, and that everybody wants to be just like us.

gun-bandanaMaybe we should have thought twice about importing millions of people from the only country on earth with an irredentist claim against us"”and then encouraging them not to assimilate!

It's not that the facts of the war are in dispute. A Mexican historical text and an American historical text provide the same facts about the war. It's just that the "spin" is different. (And nowadays, some of the American treatments of the war are more critical of the war than the Mexican ones.)

Even some of the arguments used on our side are a little lame.

Some try to prove the territory wasn't conquered. After all, we did pay $15 million dollars for it.

True, but that makes it sound like a garden variety real estate deal. Mexico was soundly defeated, and as defeated nations throughout history, had to abide by the terms of defeat.

exclIt was a conquest. And historically there's nothing unique about that. Just about every country in the world was formed by some type of conquest and just about all the real estate in the world has been conquered and re-conquered, some of it quite a few times.

That includes Mexico. The contemporary conventional Mexican view is that the evil Spaniards conquered Mexico. But when Hernan Cortes arrived in 1519, the present-day country of Mexico did not exist. The Aztec Empire (itself a product of conquest) only covered about a quarter of present-day Mexico. After the Spaniards conquered that empire, they went on conquering numerous other indigenous entities, including the Tarascan Empire, enemy of the Aztec Empire, thus assembling the enormous colony of "Nueva España", which was renamed Mexico after independence. Furthermore, throughout the history of independent Mexico, the government has repeatedly used force to subdue rebellious tribes and areas and keep them in Mexico. So yes, Mexico was formed by conquest as well.

Nor is invading a neighbor country at all rare. In fact, it's the most common form of international invasion there is.

And supposing the Mexican War hadn't started in 1846, it's quite probable Mexico would have lost the territories anyway.

The region in question was far from the heartland of Mexico, and sparsely settled. Neither the Spanish Empire nor the independent Mexico which succeeded it did much to develop the area, which was prone to frequent anti-government uprisings.

In the 1840s, there was speculation that the British, the French or the Russians might take try to take it.

But the most likely possibility would have been that growing communities of unassimilated American settlers would have revolted, seceded from Mexico, and joined the U.S.

It was the Texas dispute that provoked the Mexican War. Americans had settled in Texas, they didn't assimilate, they became the majority, and seceded from Mexico in 1836.

exclThat was not the first time that Mexico lost territory. Upon independence in 1821, Central America had been part of Mexico, but Mexico lost that territory in the 1820s. Funny, I never hear about a Mexican "reconquista" of Central America.

The Republic of Texas was independent from 1836 to 1845, during which time it was diplomatically recognized by the U.S., France, Britain, Holland and Belgium, and Mexico was unable to get it back.

After Texas joined the Union in 1845, the dispute erupted again. Both countries sent troops into the disputed territory between the Rio Grande (which Texas said was the border) and the Nueces River (which Mexico said was the border). In April 1846, the two armies clashed in the Thornton Skirmish, followed by several battles in May of 1846, after which President Polk asked for and received a declaration of war from Congress. Three months later the Mexican Congress reciprocated.

Nowadays, of course, the war is seen as the attack of a strong U.S.A. upon a weak and peaceful Mexico.

But at the time, both countries were about equally hawkish and ready for war. Mexico had a larger full-time military (27,000 Mexican men under arms vs. a U.S. Army of about 7,000 soldiers"”a number which soon swelled when volunteers flocked to join).

Nowadays, the idea of conquest is very unPC. But in 1846, neither the U.S. nor Mexico was against the idea of conquest in principle. It's just that each country wanted to be the conqueror and not the conquered.

devilMexico's government planned an invasion of the U.S., predicting that as Mexico invaded, the slaves would revolt and the Mexican flag would fly over the U.S. capitol in Washington. The Mexican government planned to annex parts of the United States, in the Louisiana/Alabama region. What a plan!

But they didn't have the chance to do all that, because the U.S. Army invaded Mexico first. (Maps are available here and here.)

Brigadier General Zachary Taylor ("Old Rough and Ready") invaded and occupied part of northeastern Mexico, including the city of Monterrey, which fell after a fierce battle involving house-to-house combat, in September of 1846. After the battle of Buena Vista (February of 1847), conventional war in that theater was over, though there were guerrilla attacks against U.S. forces.

In another prong of the invasion, Colonel Stephen Kearny marched west from Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, taking Santa Fe and arriving in California. There Kearney linked up with Captain John C. Fremont and some of those unassimilated American settlers who had already declared independence from Mexico. On July 7th, 1846, the Navy landed and did its part. By February of 1847 fighting in this theater was over.

Mexico had still refused to surrender. So President Polk sent an invasion force to take Mexico City. This expeditionary force, under the command of General Winfield Scott ("Old Fuss and Feathers") landed at Veracruz, on Mexico's Gulf Coast, and carried out the largest American amphibious landing up to that time.

Veracruz was taken in March 1847. Then the U.S. Army fought its way inland to Mexico City, taking the same route [Map] as Hernan Cortes in 1519.

Among the soldiers who fought under General Scott was a member of the Indiana Volunteers by the name of Robert Wall"”my first cousin 4 times removed, the first member of my family to go to Mexico. After returning to Indiana, for the rest of his life my kinsman was known as "Mexican Bob". Mexican Bob had two cousins also named Robert Wall"” a funny cousin known as "Monkey Bob" and a feisty one known as "Spunky Bob". Spunky Bob was my great-great-grandfather.

exclWith the fall of Mexico City in September of 1847, major combat operations were over, although in both Taylor's and Scott's occupation zones, there were continued enemy attacks on U.S. supply convoys"”just as in Iraq today.

Why did the American army defeat the Mexican army?

2gunsThe American army, composed 100% of men who had volunteered, was better trained and better equipped, had its own supply convoys and medical personnel to care for the wounded. The U.S. Army's artillery was a decisive factor"” each cannon's crew was overseen by a seasoned NCO known as "chief of the piece." (See illustration here.)

The Mexican army was mostly composed of draftees, had Napoleonic-era weapons, and sometimes left its wounded behind, not a great morale inducer. The classic Mexican history work México Á Través De Los Siglos points out that, though the Mexican soldiers in the rank and file were brave,

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"...the mutual confidence between the leaders and officers did not exist, the weaponry was old and defective, the artillery was small and of short range, the cavalry was mostly useless, the movements were slow and heavy, and finally, ambulances and supplies of provisions and everything necessary for the good service of an army on campaign were lacking."(México Á Través De Los Siglos Vicente Riva Palacio, 1880).


Mexico's loss was also due to internal disunity. In the face of the American invasion, Mexico's leaders did not form a government of national unity and work together to defend their country.

Instead, Mexican leaders often seemed more concerned with maneuvering against each other than against the enemy. In December of 1845, with war imminent, General Mariano Paredes was sent north with an army to face off against the Americans. But on the way, he changed his mind and decided instead to return to Mexico City and overthrow the government.

That's how the more hawkish Paredes became president, replacing Jose Joaquin de Herrera, who was willing to compromise on the Texas issue. In August of 1846, Paredes himself was deposed by Mariano Salas. The presidency actually changed hands four times that year and by March of 1847, Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was in charge of both the government and the military. He resigned after the Mexico City defeat of 1847.

Also during the war, the Mexicans had an internecine dispute about church property, an attempt to install a Spanish monarch, and about 35 uprisings throughout the country. Some Mexican communities didn't support the war effort, and had no qualms about trading with the American enemy. Others were simply indifferent and stayed out of it.

The Yucatan Peninsula, which had been independent from 1841-1843, declared independence again on January 1st, 1846 and announced its neutrality during the Mexican War. But the indigenous Maya revolted against Yucatan's white elite in the "Caste War", which broke out in 1847. The whites were forced to retreat into the walled cities of Merida and Campeche in 1848. After the U.S. withdrew from Mexico, Yucatan's leaders rejoined Mexico. It began a long drawn out reconquest of the Maya territory which didn't end until 1901.

The Mexican War had its contemporary American critics, mostly among the Whig party. Critics of the war included former president John Quincy Adams, John C. Calhoun, Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau who spent a night in jail because he refused to pay a $1 tax in protest.

Abraham Lincoln opposed the use of the Thornton Skirmish as justification for the war, although he still voted for funds to supply the U.S. Army in Mexico, and later supported Zachary Taylor's presidential campaign.

Among the 200 junior officers in the war who wound up being generals (Union and Confederate) in the Civil War, was future president Ulysses S. Grant, who at some point in his life decided that the war was evil.

But whatever Lincoln and Grant thought about the Mexican War, as president, neither man offered to give the conquered territories back to Mexico.

When Mexican leaders signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, they were almost out of money and the country was on the verge of a revolution. American troops had defeated the Mexican army, were occupying strategic parts of the country, and negotiator Nicholas Trist made clear that without a transfer of the territories, there would be no treaty. So the Mexican leaders decided to sign the treaty to avoid greater losses. It was signed on February 2nd, 1848 and ratified by both congresses several months later. The U.S. Army withdrew from all the territory it was occupying except the newly-annexed territories.

exclIn the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the U.S. gained nearly all the Southwest,"”all of California, Nevada and Utah, and parts of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Wyoming. (The area south of the Gila River in the present-day states of Arizona and New Mexico, was purchased from Mexico in the Gadsden Treaty of 1853.)

So the Southwest is part of the U.S. and has been for over 150 years, longer than most present-day national states have been in existence.

Even the Mexican Constitution doesn't claim the Southwest! That's right. The Mexican Constitution, in articles 42"”48 [Word Document] spells out the extent of Mexican territory. It mentions Mexican islands, continental shelf, and airspace, Mexico's 31 states and federal district, but it never mentions California, Texas or Arizona.

So take that, you reconquistas!

When reflecting upon the Mexican War, some Americans ask why we didn't just annex the whole country. And there were actually people in favor of that"”the "All Mexico" movement. But there were several reasons that didn't happen.

One was America's North-South divide, especially the congressional balance between free states and slave states, with northerners fearing that Mexico would be divided into slave states and thus upset the balance.

But John C. Calhoun and others opposed annexing Mexico for National Question reasons.

In 1848, the U.S. population was about 21 million, and the population of Mexico about 7 million, a third of ours. How well could we have assimilated 7 million Mexicans, with all the racial, cultural, social, nationalistic differences that would have been involved? Annexing Mexico would have changed the character of our nation.

Ironically, today's leaders have no such qualms. Today our leaders apparently see no problem in merging us with Mexico, despite the differences between our societies.

They are merging our countries on several levels. At one level is the mass migration of Mexicans into the U.S. coupled with a multicultural ideology which encourages non-assimilation and retention of their Mexican identity. At another level, inter-governmental agreements are moving us closer to some sort of North American Union.

It's a century and a half after Guadalupe Hidalgo. Who will be the winners in this century?

Will it be the U.S.A., Mexico"”or a transnational elite, for whom all the residents of our continent are just interchangeable pieces in a vast market?

The next few years will give us the answer.
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Calderon hopes U.S. shifts lead to immigration reform
Mexico's leader to visit U.S. on a five-city swing



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hangMEXICO CITY "” President Felipe Calderon said Wednesday that a shifting political climate in the United States could improve the chances that a new administration in Washington would help bring a comprehensive reform law that would legalize the status of Mexican immigrants.

"My hope is that whoever the next president is, and whoever is in the new (U.S.) Congress, will have a broader and more comprehensive view of the (immigration) problem," Calderon said. Speaking at his presidential residence on the morning after the Super Tuesday presidential primaries in the United States, Calderon said he took heart from the results, although he did not mention specific candidates.

"It seems to me that the most radical and anti-immigrant candidates have been left behind, and have been put in their place by their own electorate," he said.

deathCalderon is scheduled to arrive in Sacramento, Calif., next Wednesday, on the final leg of a five-day U.S. visit that also will take him to Chicago, Boston and New York to visit local officials and representatives of Mexican immigrant communities. Calderon said he planned to tell fellow Mexican citizens "that we are actively working to defend their human rights."

devil"No matter their immigration status, they are human beings with dignity and rights that should be respected."

He said one goal of his trip, which will include a talk Monday at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, would be to build public support for an immigration law that would allow millions of Mexicans to work in the U.S.

2cussingHe said Americans would recognize "sooner or later" that the health of the U.S. economy is linked to integration with its neighbor.

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Calderon Seeks To Integrate Mexico And The United States
He'll be meeting with a few of the usual suspects of the New World Order.


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The leader will have dinner in private after his arrival on Sunday with the Rockefeller Foundation, he will lodge in the hotel Waldorf-Astoria and will visit on Monday at 10:30 hours the secretary general of the UN Ban Ki-moon. He will meet with the Mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, as well as with the Governor Eliot Spitzer.

That the president will have more meetings with his own countrymen than with officials in Washington reflects two political truths. First, Mexican migrants in the United States have become an extension of Mexico's own politics, and ignored only at great peril. Second, American officials have little use for meetings with President Calderón during an election year in which the subject of immigration has ignited strong emotions on the campaign trail.

Mr. Calderón has already drawn fire from some quarters here for doing too little to stand up for Mexican immigrants in the United States while Washington has cracked down on illegal immigration. Some Mexican immigrant leaders in the United States complained that he was ignoring their troubles after he canceled a trip in September.

In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Calderón said he found the recent immigrant bashing in American society deeply troubling. The message he said he hoped to convey to Mexicans in the United States is that their government has not abandoned them and will help protect their civil rights, even if they broke the law by crossing the border.

2crazy"The fundamental message is that we are with them, that the Mexican government is paying attention to Mexicans here in Mexico and in whatever other part of the world, and we are ready to help them with their problems," he said.

Mr. Calderón's first year in office has been turbulent. He started his six-year term with questions about whether he would be able to govern effectively, because his leftist rival never conceded defeat in a hotly contested election in 2006 and pledged to block his initiatives at every turn.

But since then, the Mexican president has cemented his hold on power, divided the main opposition party and taken up a full-scale offensive against drug cartels. Sending federal troops and agents to restore order in cities once controlled by drug traffickers has garnered him support both at home and in Washington, although it has also unleashed a wave of violence.

A shrewd political deal-maker, Mr. Calderón has also managed to persuade the fractious legislature here to reform the tax system, overhaul the electoral laws and fix an enormous public pension fund. Even his critics acknowledge that he has proved a strong and able leader.

alienYet some immigrant leaders in the United States have complained that Mr. Calderón failed to yell foul loudly enough about the treatment that Mexican workers receive north of the border these days. Tougher immigration policies in the United States have meant mass firings and deportations of illegal migrants, often separating families. His tour, of New York, Boston, Chicago, Sacramento and Los Angeles, is largely to answer those complaints, aides and political analysts said.

At a time when many leftist leaders in Latin America are forging closer ties with China and Europe, Mr. Calderón, a conservative with a penchant for natty suits and rimless spectacles, is a rarity these days, *a committed United States ally.

2bricksHe insists the future prosperity of Latin America depends on the free flow of commerce and labor between the United States and countries to the south.

His government reached a joint security agreement with the Bush administration last year, leading to an unprecedented level of cooperation among law enforcement agencies. He has also resisted calls from unions and peasant groups to reopen parts of the 1994 free trade agreement with Washington and Ottawa.

2cussingIn the interview, Mr. Calderón argued that the only way the Americas could remain competitive in a world where China and Europe were emerging as major powers once again is to integrate the economies in the Western Hemisphere. He warned that the United States was losing influence.

"What is clear to me is that in Latin America, and in the world, for some reason the United States has been losing friends, and it seems to me it should do everything possible to reach out to the few friends it has left."

clapYet for all his efforts to strengthen relations with the United States, those ties have clearly been strained. Adding to tensions have been America's efforts to build a 700-mile wall along the border and recent incidents in which tear gas and gunshots were fired at Mexicans crossing clandestinely, he said.

At the same time, he said, the heated anti-immigrant rhetoric of conservative talk show hosts and some politicians has created a hostile environment for the millions of Mexicans in the United States, legally and illegally.

"I'm very worried because this has generated an atmosphere full of prejudice, an anti-immigrant atmosphere with certain themes that are also anti-Mexican, that benefits no one," he said. "It seems to me the worst thing the two countries could do is make our people think our enemy is our neighbor."

He said he hoped the next American president and members of Congress would have "a wider, more positive, more rational vision of the immigration issue" than current officeholders. He said "the harassment that is being carried out against Mexicans" in America amounted to a violation of human rights.

"I don't dispute the right of every country to have its own law and apply its own law," he said. "What I affirm is that the human rights of a person are valid, independent of their immigration status."

Some political analysts and advocates for immigrants worry that Mr. Calderón may step on a political land mine on his trip. The three leading candidates for president "” Senators John McCain, Republican of Arizona, Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York "” favor some form of a comprehensive bill to give illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

2argueBut if the Mexican president speaks out too forcefully against security measures on the border or tougher immigration policies, he could force the presidential candidates, who must cater to diverse and passionate views on immigration, to respond in a way that might hurt their campaigns.

Mr. Calderón acknowledged the risks. He pointedly declined to talk about the presidential candidates. "If one keeps looking for the politically opportune moment to visit the United States, this could take three or four years more," he said. "The truth is I have to go."


http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=5748

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Feinstein: Feds Should Cover More State Illegal Immigration Costs

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Feb 04, 2008
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California's senior senator says the federal government should pay the cost of keeping undocumented migrants in jail. She says the current law doesn't go far enough.

It costs California hundreds of millions of dollars a year to incarcerate undocumented migrants who've been arrested. The federal government pays only in cases that end in convictions.

Scott Gerber is a spokesman for Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein. He says the existing program, known as SCAAP, is underfunded.

Gerber: The federal government only appropriated 400 million or so for this program. California could take the entire share of that. So we want to make sure the money that is appropriated does get back to the states and local governments that are paying the costs. And California bears a disproportionate share.

Feinstein has introduced a bill that would reimburse states and local governments for all incarceration costs within four months.

Andrew Phelps, KPBS News.

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Clinton Says Feds Should Bear Brunt of Immigration Costs

Feb 01, 2008
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New York Senator Hillary Clinton is the latest presidential candidate to make a pre-primary stop in San Diego. She spoke to more than 7,000 supporters at San Diego State University this afternoon. KPBS reporter Nicole Lozare was there.

Clinton's supporters waited in line for hours to hear one of the two front runners in the Democratic presidential primary.

She spoke for 45-minutes at the Cox Arena and brought the crowd to their feet a number of times.

Clinton laid out her proposal to fix the immigration problem. She promised more federal relief for San Diego.

Clinton: San Diego and California don't make immigration policy -- the federal government needs to pay more so that the tax payers of local communities don't bear those costs.

Clinton said she also wants to help countries like Mexico provide better jobs for their citizens. She said that would help reduce the number of illegal immigrants who are searching for a better future in America.

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California just shelled out 37 MILLION DOLLARS for ONE MONTH OF WELFARE PAYMENTS to anchor babies and their breeders. What are the illegal alien breeders going to do when the LAST AMERICAN TAX PAYER LEAVES?

I guess Atzlan forgot to plan for that little emergency. Maybe Feinstein and Ahhnold can chip in some of their personal fortunes to take care of the their illegal alien "employees".

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That would be beneficial if they would chip in some of their personal fortunes.


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About Stalkers and Stalking

A recent study by the National Institute of Justice found that stalking was far more prevalent than anyone had imagined: 8% of American women and 2% of American men will be stalked in their lifetimes. That's 1.4 million American stalking victims every year. The majority of stalkers have been in relationships with their victims, but a significant percentage either never met their victims, or were just acquaintances - neighbors, friends or co-workers. [For information on how to receive a free copy of this study, see our research studies page.]

Types of Stalkers

There is tremendous confusion in the stalking research literature about how to classify stalkers. Everyone uses different terms. For the purposes of this web site, we have broken down types of stalkers into three broad categories: Intimate partner stalkers, delusional stalkers and vengeful stalkers. Obviously, there is overlap. Since studies show that the overwhelming number of stalkers are men and the overwhelming number of their victims are women, we will be referring to stalkers and their victims accordingly. I Know You Really Love Me delves into much greater detail and provides extensive case histories about each of these types of stalkers.

Intimate partner stalkers are typically known as the guy who "just can't let go." These are most often men who refuse to believe that a relationship has really ended. Often, other people - even the victims - feel sorry for them. But they shouldn't. Studies show that the vast majority of these stalkers are not sympathetic, lonely people who are still hopelessly in love, but were in fact emotionally abusive and controlling during the relationship. Many have criminal histories unrelated to stalking. Well over half of stalkers fall into this "former intimate partner" category.

In these types of stalking cases, the victim may, in fact, unwittingly encourage the stalker by trying to "let him down easy," or agreeing to talk to him "just one more time." What victims need to understand is that there is no reasoning with stalkers. Just the fact that stalking - an unreasonable activity - has already begun, illustrates this fact. When the victim says, "I don't want a relationship now," the stalker hears, "She'll want me again, tomorrow." When she says, "I just need some space," he hears, "If I just let her go out with her friends, she'll come back." "It's just not working out," is heard as "we can make it work out." In other words, the only thing to say to the stalker is "no." No explanations, no time limits, no room to maneuver.

A victim should say "no" once and only once. And then, never say anything to him again. If a stalker can't have his victim's love, he'll take her hatred or her fear. The worst thing in the world for him is to be ignored. Think of little children: If they're not getting the attention they want, they'll act out and misbehave because even negative attention is better than none at all. Former intimate partner stalkers have their entire sense of self-worth caught up in the fact that, "she loves me." Therefore, any evidence to the contrary is seen as merely an inconvenience to overcome. Since giving up his victim means giving up his self-worth, he is very unlikely to do so. Don't help him hang on.


Delusional stalkers frequently have had little, if any, contact with their victims. They may have major mental illnesses like schizophrenia, manic-depression or erotomania. What they all have in common is some false belief that keeps them tied to their victims. In erotomania, the stalker's delusional belief is that the victim loves him. This type of stalker actually believes that he is having a relationship with his victim, even though they might never have met. The woman stalking David Letterman, the stalker who killed actress Rebecca Schaeffer and the man who stalked Madonna are all examples of erotomanic stalkers.

Another type of delusional stalker might believe that he is destined to be with someone, and that if he only pursues her hard enough and long enough, she will come to love him as he loves her. These stalkers know they are not having a relationship with their victims, but firmly believe that they will some day. John Hinckley Jr.'s obsession with Jodi Foster is an example of this type of stalker.

The typical profile of delusional stalkers is that of an unmarried and socially immature loner, who is unable to establish or sustain close relationships with others. They rarely date and have had few, if any, sexual relationships. Since at the same time they are both threatened by and yearn for closeness, they often pick victims who are unattainable in some way; perhaps she is married, or has been the stalker's therapist, clergyman, doctor or teacher. Those in the helping professions are particularly vulnerable to delusional stalkers, because for someone who already has difficulty separating reality from fantasy, the kindness shown by the soon-to-be victim, the only person who has ever treated the stalker with warmth, is blown out of proportion into a delusion of intimacy. What these stalkers cannot attain in reality is achieved through fantasy and it is for this reason that the delusion seems to be so difficult to relinquish: Even an imaginary love is better than no love at all.

These delusional stalkers have almost always come from a background which was either emotionally barren or severely abusive. They grow up having a very poor sense of their own identities. This, coupled with a predisposition toward psychosis, leads them to strive for satisfaction through another, yearning to merge with someone who is almost always perceived to be of a higher status (doctors, lawyers, teachers) or very socially desirable (celebrities). It is as if this stalker says, "Gee. If she loves me, I must not be so bad." As Dean Martin compellingly crooned what could be considered the delusional stalker's anthem: "You're Nobody ˜Til Somebody Loves You." It is not unusual for this type of stalker to "hear" the soothing voice of his victim, or believe that she is sending him cryptic messages through others.

Some studies show that delusional stalkers are the most tenacious of all. Erotomanic delusions themselves last an average of ten years. How is this possible when the stalker has had little if any contact with his victim? As if drawn from the National Organ Donor Registry, the victim becomes the perfect match, with the potential to save the stalker's life. When the victim says "no," he rationalizes it away, believing that, "her husband made her get that restraining order, she really loves me," or "her agent told her it would be bad for her career if we dated, but she really loves me." Therefore, as with every type of stalker, it is imperative that victims have no contact.

The final category of stalker is not lovelorn. He is the vengeful stalker. These stalkers become angry with their victims over some slight, real or imagined. Politicians, for example, get many of these types of stalkers who become angry over some piece of legislation or program the official sponsors. But, disgruntled ex-employees can also stalk, whether targeting their former bosses, co-workers or the entire company. Some of these angry stalkers are psychopaths, i.e. people without conscience or remorse. Some are delusional, (most often paranoid), and believe that they, in fact, are the victims. They all stalk to "get even."

Former intimate partner stalkers and delusional stalkers can become vengeful for a variety of reasons. For example, when their victims get restraining orders, or marry. Why a stalker's anger is a very bad sign is described under what to do.

In general, for any type of stalker, the less of a relationship that actually existed prior to the stalking, the more mentally disturbed the stalker.


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