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Originally posted by Rapunzel911:
Tenatively, there is a trial date set for January 26, 2010 regarding his birth certificate and other issues.

http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/

The article is long, but you also access Dr. Orly Taitz's website here.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4741

The first thing, or one of the first thinkgs, will be a sismissal of the suit. There have been 8 others similar to this one and all have lost the initial decision or the subsequent appeals. This one is no different.

Should focus on true GDP growth, unemployment, taxes, reforms in education and other programs, etc.

I thought everyone would like to know where their tax dollars are being spent.

Check this out !! Unbelievable!!
And to think I pay what I do. I went to the website and thus far, it's not available in Louisiana but it's not too long coming. I can't believe we didn't hear about this even on Fox. R.

Subject: Safelink Wireless Free phones for welfare recipients
I checked it out and the site link is below.. I'm glad I'm paying
for this now..oh wait... all you reading this are paying for it, too!

I had a former employee call me earlier today inquiring about a job, and at the end of the conversation he gave me his phone number. I asked the former employee if this was a new cell phone number and he told me yes this was his "Obama phone." I asked him what an "Obama phone" was and he went on
to say that welfare recipients are now eligible to receive (1) a FREE new phone and (2) approx 70 minutes of FREE minutes every month. I was a little skeptical so I Googled it and low and behold he was telling the truth. TAX PAYER MONEY IS BEING REDISTRIBUTED TO WELFARE RECIPIENTS FOR FREE CELL PHONES.
This program was started earlier this year. Enough is enough, the ship is sinking and it's sinking fast. The very foundations that this country was built on are being shaken. The age old concepts of God, family, and hard work have flown out the window and are being replaced with "Hope and Change" and "Change we can believe in." You can click on the link below to read more about the "Obama phone". .... just have a **** bag ready..

https://www.safelinkwireless.c...mentPublic/Home.aspx

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Maybe because there is some truth to it.

If there is smoking gun evidence, lets see it. Oh wait, they can't show it because they don't have it! Throwing mud in the hope some sticks...true or not. That's what it comes down to.

From the transcript:

“Plaintiffs argue that despite the fact that Obama has produced a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, there was evidence to show that Obama was actually born in Kenya, thus, making him ineligible to serve as president of the United States.”

IMO, Judge Carter was able to find several judicial reasons to dismiss the case, but that does not mean there is no evidence to support the Plaintiff's claim.

Judge Carter had hired a new law clerk, a lawyer by the name of Siddharth Velamoor.

This article is rather interesting, especially the last few paragraphs.

http://romanticpoet.wordpress....-obamas-white-house/

I don't think we have heard the end of this issue.

R911

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Originally posted by Brit4064:

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Maybe because there is some truth to it.

If there is smoking gun evidence, lets see it. Oh wait, they can't show it because they don't have it! Throwing mud in the hope some sticks...true or not. That's what it comes down to.

In order to show it a court needs to be willing to at least listen to it. So far, most if not all have shown their lack of impartiality. The system is broke. When the elite have such a stranglehold on the establishment than none of the branches serve as the arm of the citizenry our constitutional demise is as hand.

In order to show it a court needs to be willing to at least listen to it. So far, most if not all have shown their lack of impartiality. The system is broke. When the elite have such a stranglehold on the establishment than none of the branches serve as the arm of the citizenry our constitutional demise is as hand.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

I think the issue of where he was born is a moot point. The focus should be on how much debt he is creating for this country and its taxpayers. Like I said in an earlier post. Bigger fish to fry now. Stop wasting the court's time with the birth certificate stuff. I didn't vote for him, btw.

Ok Rapunzel911, since you think he was born in Kenya, lest see a Kenyan birth certificate. Bear in mind he could have acquired that through his father later on. It doesn't automatically mean he was born there.

Davdah, if the tables were turned and your buddy McCain was in power now, you wouldn't say the system is broke. There is no impartiality. It's not broke. It's quite simple, the courts do not have authority on this issue. Congress does. The only time the court got involved with issues of elections was in 2000.

Bush's first term IMO was won on a technicality. You could argue he wasn't the real winner. Gore won the popular vote. There was some dissent at the time but nothing on the scale of these nutters claiming Obama's not a USC.

He's shown a US birth certificate. He won by 6% points. R911 and his like are trying to stir the pot of public opinion against Obama because they don't like him. Get over it and move on!

The courts don't have authority? Really, let's see. When congress comes up with something idiotic who is it that keeps them in check? Or, I should say, is supposed to? I guess now the precipitous is, when it's suits them.

If you recall, there was a delegation that went to Kenya to do some digging. Remember what happened to them? They were thrown out of the country. Seems to me somebody had something to hide. Further mysterious is the convenient death of the only family member who came out and said he wasn't born here.

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Originally posted by Brit4064:
Ok Rapunzel911, since you think he was born in Kenya, lest see a Kenyan birth certificate. Bear in mind he could have acquired that through his father later on. It doesn't automatically mean he was born there.

He's shown a US birth certificate. R911 and his like are trying to stir the pot of public opinion against Obama because they don't like him. Get over it and move on!

I am not the one that began the lawsuit(s), nor have I stated that I do not personally like him.

What I do feel is that change was needed, badly, we needed good change. IMO, that begins and ends with the transparency and honesty he promised during his campaign. I do not belong to any 'group' stirring up the pot, just commenting on the news, Brit. If he violated any constitutional or campaign rules, the people that are involved with the suits have the right and possibly the duty to proceed, no matter the roadblocks. The rules apply to everyone, right or wrong? If you are not concerned as a citizen or a resident about his birth certificate or the eligibilty issue, how would you feel if you had been his opponent? I only say this because when I voted, I thought the verification process had been properly done. I am checked to make sure I am a registered voter. I see no way of ending these lawsuits until he produces the long form birth certificate and that is the easiest and cheapest way to dispel all the rumors.

Yes, Proud, we do have many major issues confronting this nation, time will tell if the changes being made are sound decisions.

Check this out. This birth certificate from Kenya has passed initial scrutiny. It's got the official stamps, seals, a legitimate signature, and is the proper age. A much better bet than what Obama postes which had nothing but his affirmation.

There is also this which can't be debated. Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.


And some more

R911, with 8 failed attempts already don't you think this is telling them something? If the issue really were an issue, the courts would be duty-bound to address it.

There is no law that says Obama must show a long-form birth certificate (or any birth certificate for that matter). If there's any fault, it's that of current US law.

I'll say it again, it's an issue that's being made out to be something it isn't for political reasons by those opposed to Obama. Others choose to go along with it.

What it says is a lot of people are choosing to ignore it, or more aptly put, selling out. If there were genuine interest in unity and transparency the long form would have been given. That would put it to rest.

This stubborn insolence is divisive and stifles any progress. And, actually, there is a law that says he needs to prove citizenship. It's in the constitution, Article 2, Section 1. So far the judiciary has chosen the easier path of complacency.

Examining the laws of Hawaii at the time. There were several methods available to obtain a birth certificate. Some of which, as noted on the long form, would render an individual ineligible to serve office. The short versions give no detail and are all identical to one another. That is the sticking point. McCain, when asked, released his. Again, what is the problem?

So far, we've been told of two different hospitals by his family where he was supposedly born. This, without taking into consideration his grandmother saying he was born in Kenya, should minimally provoke questions. How many variations will it take before people begin to wonder, what is the truth?

And to those who raise too many questions or are patriotic enough to forgo promises of utopia in exchange for blissful ignorance.

...One is that one of Obama's top advisers, John O. Brennen, heads a firm that was cited for breaching State Department passport files belonging to Obama.

Further relevant information "may" be obtained from a Washington Times report that a key witness in the passport investigation was found dead.

The Times said Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who was cooperating with investigators, was found dead inside a car in front of a Washington church.

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And, actually, there is a law that says he needs to prove citizenship.

He's done that which is why the judiciary aren't interested in moving forward with the accusations...8 times! No complacency at all.

You are republican so you have a vested interest in removing Obama. "It's a cover up, all the work of the vast left-wing conspiracy!"

No, he hasn't shown a thing. All he's done is come up with excuses why he shouldn't show it. Here is the question. What is there to hide? The way I look at it is this. Dem or Rep we would all be loyal adversaries depending on your color, red v blue. The problem here is, we're questioning the loyal before we even get to the adversary part. Sorry, but the way I see it. He hasn't measured up to the office in any regard. There has been no disclosure, no communal efforts, no realization of being inclusive. Instead, we've gotten,'I won', 'We don't want to hear from the people who disagree with us', 'I inherited this mess'. For now, we don't have a leader, not even one I can disagree with. That's my take.

No, the obligation is for Obama to prove he was born in Hawaii.

He refuses to release his birth certificate. The document he has released is an abstract of live birth. It is not the birth certificate.

And the State of Hawaii still has his original birth certificate.

The issue is whether he was born in Hawaii or his mother obtained a birth certificate for him based on her former residence in Hawaii.

The original birth certificate will tell us if he was actually born in Hawaii or was issued a birth certificate based on his mother's former residency in Hawaii.

I think that he was born in Canada, based on the fact that his mother was planning to attend University in Seattle after his birth.

Perhaps she was in Seattle looking for an apartment, went sightseeing in Vancouver and for whatever reason the birth happened there.

In the end Obama can solve this problem by releasing his original birth certificate.

It exists, but he is trying to hide it.

Why?

Isn't someone considered to be a US Citizen by virtue of having born to USC parent, even if born overseas?


Title 8 of the U.S. Code, Section 1401 defines among others the following to be US Citizen at birth:

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years.

Even if Obama was born in Australia, wouldn't he still be considered born US Citizen, since his mother was a US Citizen and lived at least 5 years in US ?

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Originally posted by OldE:
Isn't someone considered to be a US Citizen by virtue of having born to USC parent, even if born overseas?


Title 8 of the U.S. Code, Section 1401 defines among others the following to be US Citizen at birth:

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years.

Even if Obama was born in Australia, wouldn't he still be considered born US Citizen, since his mother was a US Citizen and lived at least 5 years in US ?

It had to do with his mother's age at the time of his birth and is complicated. But, it's an issue worth dropping. He's our President. Those of us who don't like it need to find others things to complain about.

What does Title 8 say in regards to the age of USC in order to confer Citizenship eligibility to it's child at birth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz5DkTF2RW8