I am a legal immigrant to America, and I support the Minute Men.

I have had conversations with Minute Men volunteers here in Phoenix, Arizona, and they are hard-working Americans who are opposed to illegal alien law-breakers.

ELJEFE: You bring up the subject of alleged racial profiling. Let me ask you: are you equally opposed to racial profiling by hispanics, which is something that I see every single day? Isn't it racial profiling when hispanic immigrants automatically speak Spanish to anyone who appears to be Hispanic, instead of speaking to them in English? This form of racial profiling and discrimination occurs to my friends every single day, even though they don't speak one word of Spanish (and neither they should).

Some very nice info on minuteman leader is here:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?site_area=1&aid=149

once again, for the intelligent-impaired, if these day laborers truly believe they are being singled out for being illegal, all they have to do is show their VALID (not bogus or purchased) green card....what could be simpler? But....how many green cards have we seen on TV? (0) What does that say about this group (wherever they are hanging out)?

Someone12, according to your logic Minutemen could go and stop every black man on the street of Harlem (on suspicion that some could be criminals) and check their ID's/Records, and as long as they had proper ID there was no instance of "singling-out"?

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HURRICANE ! WAGNER ! WOTAN ! TSUNAMI !

Someone12 and Aliba,

Long live the KKK my fellow members! We need to start mobilising and get rid of these n.asty brown people. America is for Whites only! Western Europeans you are all welcome here ( Must be WHITE).

I don't remember seeing blacks marching as day laborers. I also did not say that Minutemen have any authority to check IDs...all I said was if these day laborers are legal, why not prove it to the viewing public? (hint: they can't because they are illegal).
So, dufus, if a group of bank robbers were marching down the street protesting 'unfair laws' that force them to spend time in prison, would you release them all because they are unhappy? If so, well,then our gene pool has definitely taken a turn for the worse.

What the press does not say is how many illegal crossers would die in the desert if not for the efforts of the Border Patrol, and perhaps the Minutemen.

someone12 comments shouldnt be taken seriously because he's clearly racist..He hates everything that is not white..He hates latinoes, blacks, chinese etc etc..He mom is a racist woman, his dad is a racist guy..he has hot racist blood running throught his vains..He's a hater that hates people of color..

I agree about Border Patrol - they do their jobs the best they can, and in many cases they save lives of border crossing illegals.

But it's somewhat different story when it comes to minutemen and their leader.
It's important NOT to confuse legitimate "Border Patrol" with vigilantes headed by one man of shadowy background.

Read about minuteman leader here:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?site_area=1&aid=149

[quote] Threats, Anger and Paranoia

The truth is more complex and troubling. Court records obtained by the Center's Intelligence Project show Simcox's second ex-wife, Kim Dunbar, filed an emergency appeal in September 2001 to obtain full custody of their teenage son because she feared that Simcox had suffered a mental breakdown and was dangerous.

Dunbar declined to be interviewed for this article, but her sworn affidavits speak for themselves. In one, Dunbar testified that throughout their 10-year marriage, Simcox was prone to sudden, violent rages.

"He once took a knife from the kitchen and threatened to kill himself," she testified. "When he was angry, he broke furniture, car windows, he banged his head against the wall repeatedly and punched things."

Dunbar said that when their son was 4 years old, Simcox slapped him so hard that a mark remained on his face for two days. Another time, she testified, she grabbed her young son in her arms and jumped out a window because Simcox was throwing furniture at them.

After such episodes, she said, Simcox would become despondent. "He would stare at walls, mumbling to himself." In the affidavits, Dunbar said she repeatedly pressured Simcox to seek professional help and even tried to have him hospitalized. But he persistently refused treatment.

"Eventually," she said, "the only thing I could do was file for divorce."

Simcox and Dunbar initially shared custody of their son. There was no legal dispute until shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, when Dunbar suddenly filed a flurry of emergency appeals.

"While Chris has always been prone to strong opinions and ranting behavior, this last episode has gone even ****her," she told the court. "I am convinced he has had some kind of mental lapse and I am now, more than ever, afraid for my son to be in Chris' care."

Dunbar grew frightened after Simcox left her a series of bizarre voicemail messages beginning that Sept. 13, in which he went on angry diatribes about the Constitution, patriotism, and impending nuclear attacks on Los Angles, and talked about training their 15-year-old son in the use of firearms.

"I will begin teaching him the art of protecting himself with weapons," Simcox said in one recorded message he left for Dunbar. "I purchased another gun. I have more than a few weapons, and I intend on teaching my son how to use them." Simcox added, "I will no longer trust anyone in this country. My life has changed forever, and if you don't get that, you are brainwashed like everybody else."

In phone conversations with his son that his ex-wife recorded and submitted to the court as evidence of Simcox's mental instability, he challenged the boy to become "a man and a real American."

"You better stop playing baseball, buddy, and you better do something real, 'cause life will never be the same," Simcox thundered. "I'm going to go down to the Mexican border and sign up for the government for border patrol to protect the borders of the country that I love. You hear how serious I am."

Simcox's son asked his father what would happen to his cat, Moe. "Moe may end up on the dead pile, " Simcox said. [/quote]

I see that albatross is one of those 'intelligent' impaired....illegal aliens are not a race, you ignorant moron....they are a disease.

NEITZSCHE ! HURRICANE ! WOTAN ! WAGNER ! TSUNAMI !

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Originally posted by Someone12:
every scumball hanging around a 7-11 should be holding a valid green card or heading back to Mexico.
I applaude the Minutemen...true patriots, unlike these whining illegal alien dirtbag supporters.
What are the day laborers afraid of, if they are legally authorized to work in the US? Where are their VALID (not bogus) green cards? (up their a$$)

Editorial
In Defense of Day Laborers
NY Times
Published: March 28, 2007
In cities and suburbs across America, the confluence of homes, big-box stores and striving immigrant men has created an informal, often unruly job marketplace that has survived every effort to ban it or harass it out of existence.

This market, of Latino day laborers, is hardly the only manifestation of the shadow immigrant economy, but it is the hardest to ignore. These are the immigrants whom localities seem the most desperate to subdue, usually with laws against loitering and job solicitation. A Los Angeles suburb, Baldwin Park, is the latest of dozens to tackle the problem, with an antisoliciting bill written broadly enough to cover cookie-selling Girl Scouts but really meant for the Latino men at Home Depot.

Such crackdowns are constitutionally dubious and usually fail, and some lawmakers are having doubts about them. Last week, on Long Island, the Suffolk County Legislature defeated a bill to drive away day laborers by forbidding them to “obstruct” county roads. The majority understood that the dimly reasoned measure would have simply diverted workers and contractors’ trucks onto other roads while inviting civil-rights lawsuits. It would not have reduced the population of day laborers the least bit.

It was a good outcome for a bad bill, but the county is still stuck where it has been for years — wondering how to handle a volatile mixture of men and trucks in a suburb that wishes they would go away. A good next step for Suffolk would be to come around to a solution that other communities have tried, with generally positive results: a hiring site.

One can oppose illegal immigration and still approve of hiring sites, places where laborers can find shade, toilets and a safe place to negotiate jobs with contractors and homeowners. The most obvious reasons are crowd control and traffic safety.

But an equally compelling reason is that hiring sites impose order on free-market chaos. An unregulated day-labor bazaar wallows in the mud flats of capitalism, benefiting sleazy contractors and fostering rock-bottom wages and working conditions for all laborers, legal or not. Hiring sites that register and monitor contractors and laborers can hold them all to account. Employers who undercut competitors and rob workers will find it hard to return to a well-established hiring site, and drunks and belligerents among the laborers will be pressured to toe the line. These places are sometimes called “shape-up sites,” an apt term in more ways than one.

Some lawmakers have gotten over the notion that hiring sites are gifts to illegals, and have concluded that approaching day laborers as community members, with rights and civic responsibilities, is smarter than ranting about them as pests. It is heartening that some local officials are willing to confront the realities of a flawed immigration system and to work responsibly to lessen its troublesome side effects.

Then there are those who hold out hope that with just one more crackdown, one more ticketing blitz, the men who make our suburbs gleam will take their sweat and muscle elsewhere and leave us alone to tend our homes and hedges by ourselves. Government officials on Long Island, as elsewhere, have tried stiff-necked hostility to day laborers, and have reaped years of failure. They should consider hiring sites as the next, positive step — one that promises not only to be practical and humane, but also effective.

Illegal...

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haven't heard of any crimes committed by the Minutemen, but I have heard of plenty by illegal aliens and smugglers along the border, including a few deadly crashes attributed to them, and of course the infamous incursion by drug smugglers "dressed as" the Mexican military with firepower.

...and not ALL of the illegal aliens do these things...

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What is "discriminatory" is for Mexicans or anyone else to believe they have a right to enter the U.S. illegally, and work illegally while the rest of the world has to go through ports of entry and while they and we obey our laws or risk penalties.

Why do you believe is only Mexicans?? They are the majority but not all of the illegal immigrants...

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As for Mr. Gempler's comments, well, you might be interested to know that a fruit company in the Northwest just lost a RICO suit for hiring illegal aliens, and paid a $million fine. You can bet that that is prompting the offer of $9 an hour and the use of a guest worker program, BUT it proves nothing except that wages need to be higher to attract Americans. Also, growers on the West Coast have had a problem getting and keeping even illegal farm workers because these guys leave for jobs in construction paying $12 an hour, without the stoop labor. So, using the guest worker program, probably H2-A, is actually a bargain for the growers

Are we forgetting that the USA has also to compete with other nations that have a cheaper cost in their products??? Or do you think that the USA can sustain itself away from the rest of the world???
Profiling...
Yes there is profiling. You are brown, in consequence then you are an undocumented immigrant, the same when they see a white dude then is a gringo... I wonder how lucky all the illegal European, Japanese, Chinese people, etc, must feel…
Once again...There is not absolute truth here.

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I see that albatross is one of those 'intelligent' impaired....illegal aliens are not a race, you ignorant moron....they are a disease

...lets ask the Jews about the racists....let me see...illegal or Nazis?? Which ones is a true disease???

quote:

Originally posted by Someone12:
every scumball hanging around a 7-11 should be holding a valid green card or heading back to Mexico.
I applaude the Minutemen...true patriots, unlike these whining illegal alien dirtbag supporters.
What are the day laborers afraid of, if they are legally authorized to work in the US? Where are their VALID (not bogus) green cards? (up their a$$)

Editorial NY Times
In Defense of Day Laborers
March 28, 2007
In cities and suburbs across America, the confluence of homes, big-box stores and striving immigrant men has created an informal, often unruly job marketplace that has survived every effort to ban it or harass it out of existence.

This market, of Latino day laborers, is hardly the only manifestation of the shadow immigrant economy, but it is the hardest to ignore. These are the immigrants whom localities seem the most desperate to subdue, usually with laws against loitering and job solicitation. A Los Angeles suburb, Baldwin Park, is the latest of dozens to tackle the problem, with an antisoliciting bill written broadly enough to cover cookie-selling Girl Scouts but really meant for the Latino men at Home Depot.

Such crackdowns are constitutionally dubious and usually fail, and some lawmakers are having doubts about them. Last week, on Long Island, the Suffolk County Legislature defeated a bill to drive away day laborers by forbidding them to “obstruct” county roads. The majority understood that the dimly reasoned measure would have simply diverted workers and contractors’ trucks onto other roads while inviting civil-rights lawsuits. It would not have reduced the population of day laborers the least bit.

It was a good outcome for a bad bill, but the county is still stuck where it has been for years —wondering how to handle a volatile mixture of men and trucks in a suburb that wishes they would go away. A good next step for Suffolk would be to come around to a solution that other communities have tried, with generally positive results: a hiring site.

One can oppose illegal immigration and still approve of hiring sites, places where laborers can find shade, toilets and a safe place to negotiate jobs with contractors and homeowners. The most obvious reasons are crowd control and traffic safety.

But an equally compelling reason is that hiring sites impose order on free-market chaos. An unregulated day-labor bazaar wallows in the mud flats of capitalism, benefiting sleazy contractors and fostering rock-bottom wages and working conditions for all laborers, legal or not. Hiring sites that register and monitor contractors and laborers can hold them all to account. Employers who undercut competitors and rob workers will find it hard to return to a well-established hiring site, and drunks and belligerents among the laborers will be pressured to toe the line. These places are sometimes called “shape-up sites,” an apt term in more ways than one.

Some lawmakers have gotten over the notion that hiring sites are gifts to illegals, and have concluded that approaching day laborers as community members, with rights and civic responsibilities, is smarter than ranting about them as pests. It is heartening that some local officials are willing to confront the realities of a flawed immigration system and to work responsibly to lessen its troublesome side effects.

Then there are those who hold out hope that with just one more crackdown, one more ticketing blitz, the men who make our suburbs gleam will take their sweat and muscle elsewhere and leave us alone to tend our homes and hedges by ourselves. Government officials on Long Island, as elsewhere, have tried stiff-necked hostility to day laborers, and have reaped years of failure. They should consider hiring sites as the next, positive step — one that promises not only to be practical and humane, but also effective.

newsflash: the Minutemen are not, repeat, not breaking or violating US laws....but scumbag illegal aliens are...so, to the so-called patriotic Americans who support illegals, why do you turn your backs on your fellow countrymen because they are following and helping to enforce our laws???? please...tell us all how patriotic MinuteMen are somehow worse or less deserving than illegal aliens? For those of you who really believe that illegal scumbag aliens should be rewarded while the Minutemen should be punished should turn in your blue passport and move to some third world kraphole and enjoy life elsewhere...you don't deserve to be an American citizen.

THE MINUTEMEN ARE TRUE PATRIOTS!!! I SALUTE THEM AND THANK THEM. According to El Jefe (The Boss) the Mexican who opposes them, the are shameful, but, shameful to who, who, who? and like ALL MEXICANS he brought up their favorite word "racism". The minutemen should be assisted by all of us, law abiding citizens.

quote:

Originally posted by SunDevilUSA:
I am a legal immigrant to America, and I support the Minute Men.

I have had conversations with Minute Men volunteers here in Phoenix, Arizona, and they are hard-working Americans who are opposed to illegal alien law-breakers.

ELJEFE: You bring up the subject of alleged racial profiling. Let me ask you: are you equally opposed to racial profiling by hispanics, which is something that I see every single day? Isn't it racial profiling when hispanic immigrants automatically speak Spanish to anyone who appears to be Hispanic, instead of speaking to them in English? This form of racial profiling and discrimination occurs to my friends every single day, even though they don't speak one word of Spanish (and neither they should).

You don't have ANY justifiable comparison there.

quote:

Originally posted by Someone12:
I see that albatross is one of those 'intelligent' impaired....illegal aliens are not a race, you ignorant moron....they are a disease.

I see you're still an angry hateful person with no life to speak of - enjoying this "bashing illegals" hobby of yours loser?