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Originally posted by iperson:
History remembers Hudson, no matter how you try to cover things up, whiten them or bleach. There's no way of deleting it like a computer file, fortunately. No matter what you say.

And what do you know of history, IP? Nat even AIM, American Indian Movement, would make this type of claim.

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by iperson:
History remembers Hudson, no matter how you try to cover things up, whiten them or bleach. There's no way of deleting it like a computer file, fortunately. No matter what you say.

And what do you know of history, IP? Nat even AIM, American Indian Movement, would make this type of claim.

Granted, I would have to refresh my memory too when it comes to that one. However, at this point, I would like to point out something that at times just makes me throw up my arms in awe. Having two American educated children, once in a while I do ask them questions about American History that I think they should be able to answer for me right away, because it’s American History.

The answer - like, “how should I know”, is really boggling my mind and makes we wonder, how in everything in the world did you graduate from High School?

Lol, Kollerkrot. Scary isnt it?

Hudson- all I am doing here is pointing out the irony between how Americans are so claiming their country is the greatest and how Americans are the superior race versus how little education most have and how ignorant they are about the rest of the world.
I am not anti- American.
I want you to revisit your attitudes in order to build peace and safe planet for all nations. In order to do that, you need to learn to respect other nations.

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dmartmar i see, so it means that she marry you while she's in J1 VISA, isn't it wrong to do that?

isn't it she have to go back to her country first and get a k1 VISA LIKE I DID, if you really against the people who are lying about coming here for visit or study but their intentions are really to get married, why did you do that then, marry a girl on a j1 visa, why didn't you make here go home and do it the right way.

chinita

I didn't have any knowledge whatsoever about immigration laws, visas, adjustment of status, etc. I just fell in love with her, got married and learned all about immigration matters later on the hard way.

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Originally posted by Kollerkrot:
Granted, I would have to refresh my memory too when it comes to that one. However, at this point, I would like to point out something that at times just makes me throw up my arms in awe. Having two American educated children, once in a while I do ask them questions about American History that I think they should be able to answer for me right away, because it’s American History.

The answer - like, “how should I know”, is really boggling my mind and makes we wonder, how in everything in the world did you graduate from High School?

I agree that the public education system ****s big time, including how public school teaches, or more the lack thereof, civics. And basically the teacher unions and public school officials are the most at fault, with some help from inept parents who use the public education system as a surrogate mother. As for me, my parents were fortunate enough to send me to private school for most of my education.

But what Coco and a few others have done, would make even the tribal elders blush.

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Originally posted by iperson:
Hudson- all I am doing here is pointing out the irony between how Americans are so claiming their country is the greatest and how Americans are the superior race versus how little education most have and how ignorant they are about the rest of the world.
I am not anti- American.
I want you to revisit your attitudes in order to build peace and safe planet for all nations. In order to do that, you need to learn to respect other nations.

IP, I personally know Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans who strongly believe that their country is the greatest in the world, but that is a moot point, isn't it? You have still failed to learn something very basic when you are living in a country not of your origin. Some of the statements that you are making is what is causing the lack of harmony, not the other way around. YOu tread very carefully when you are making statements that appear discontinuous to the country's general public such as "this is the worst government on earth." I am not criticizing you for your political statements, and that is exactly what they are, but you must realize you will reap the consequences for making those statements.

When I go to China, I don't make statements that may offend the general population. If I have a doubt, I would not say anything at unless asked. Sometimes, the people at "English Corner" would ask me my personal opinions about political events. Most of the time, I would give very general statements, but nothing specific or concrete, and more like suggestions, if at all. This is especially true when they ask what their country is doing or even should do. Keep in mind, I have a great respect for the Chinese culture.

In other words what I am saying, because I am a foreigner while in a country not of my origin, I am very careful of what I say as to not offend. If I find out that a native is making statements that their country is the greatest, even to the point of arrogance, I still say nothing. I would suggest to talk to expats who live abroad and learn from them, IP.

In normal circumstances I wouldn't say or do anything to offend Americans. In a normal conversation face to face, that would never happen.
This forum is a different arena, where rasism and open hatred towards other nationalities, not just illegal immigrants is pronounced, and I don't see you saying anything to those voicing their KKK ideologies here.

My statements here go hand in hand with the tone of this forum. They are more general impressions of the world how it sees America from abroad, not necesserily my own.

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In normal circumstances I wouldn't say or do anything to offend Americans. In a normal conversation face to face, that would never happen.

But of course it's always easier to hide behind the monitor screen!

i suggest you go for a counseling proudusc hahahahahahahahaha, you are accusing me of something you don't know nothing about, my husband make a lot of money that i don't even need to work, don't worry, ill take care of your fellow usc (my husband).i feel sorry for you because i know there something wrong in your brain. you really need a doctor.

the same with american they can't offend any immigrant or other nationalities in a normal conversation.

ok i have a story of a german who went to my country philippines, (I'm talking about this individual german guy not the whole germany, he was at the restaurant where i was at that time, he keep talking about how great is his country and how much he hate the philippines, he was sitting outside the resto with his friend, he was holding a philipines money in his hand and burn it in-front of filipino, somebody call a cop, the cop arrived and arrested him for disrespecting the philippines. all i can say is that filipino are not cocky or we never think our country is the greatest.

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Originally posted by iperson:
In normal circumstances I wouldn't say or do anything to offend Americans. In a normal conversation face to face, that would never happen.
This forum is a different arena, where rasism and open hatred towards other nationalities, not just illegal immigrants is pronounced, and I don't see you saying anything to those voicing their KKK ideologies here.

My statements here go hand in hand with the tone of this forum. They are more general impressions of the world how it sees America from abroad, not necessarily my own.

The main difference between this forum and a political forum is that politics should be left out except when it is directly affecting how immigration is going to be conducted (border security, increase/decrease in visas, how to deal with illegal aliens, etc.). And I understand that most of your comments have been directed at one or two posters who make constant accusations without full knowledge of the facts. But sometimes you do go overboard and that is what drives my responses.

Finally, most of the world views the US as the most popular, yet most misunderstood, person at school. When it agrees with them, they are happy and will vote for him as King of Prom, when it does not, then you have the taunting (sometimes known as anti-Americanism if it is extreme enough) and the gossip starts circulating. Some who try to explain this phenomenon have called it envy, others jealousy. In my experience, it is neither and both. Does the US deserve criticism? Yes, when it is appropriate, like Chile for instance. But the US cannot win when you have everybody wanting the US to do nothing and everything. If we decide that we should not involve ourselves in Africa, then the US would get blamed for not helping the poor African nations. When we do get involved, you hear the rumors that America is colonizing Africa again. So, tell me, if the US gets blamed or criticized for not doing something and will get criticized for doing something, then how should the US respond to its critics?

We can look at Afghanistan, Somalia, Vietnam, China, WWII, and other historical events?

Hudson, you are quoting the "evils" of a democracy. There will always be Yea Sayers and Nay Sayers! What is one to do?

Hudson, I don't know where you got that the world expects certain things from the US.
As far as I know, I'd rather have the US, my home now too, not to get involved in anything, unless there is a crisis of some sort.
The only thing the US should be doing is building strong intelligence fighting terrorism, mafias, crime gangs, traffikers, international criminals etc.
In addition to that, building a coalition with other advanced countries and helping other aspiring countries to democracy and development would be another task. But not by sending troops and forcing changes, but by sending peaceful organizations and financial means.
Be the true Good Big Brother to the world, not the Bully.

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ok i have a story of a german who went to my country philippines, (I'm talking about this individual german guy not the whole germany, he was at the restaurant where i was at that time, he keep talking about how great is his country and how much he hate the philippines, he was sitting outside the resto with his friend, he was holding a philipines money in his hand and burn it in-front of filipino, somebody call a cop, the cop arrived and arrested him for disrespecting the philippines. all i can say is that filipino are not cocky or we never think our country is the greatest.

chinita

He must've been drunk!

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Originally posted by iperson:
Hudson, I don't know where you got that the world expects certain things from the US.
As far as I know, I'd rather have the US, my home now too, not to get involved in anything, unless there is a crisis of some sort.

There is always a crisis somewhere in the world that the US is involved either economically, politically, or both which in some cases miliary action was also included. . We can look at Liberia, Sudan, Somalia, Kosovo, NK, Iran, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, Haiti, Indonesia, Rhodesia, etc, just to name a few. So, when the US refused to help Liberia by sending peace keeping forces, the US was criticized for not helping the UN. It went as far as the US was violating international law by not helping. The US has been pressured to send troops to Darfur, which Chinese, French, and a few other countries have troops there. But there have been also incidents of rape by the UN peacekeeping forces. Do you see any breaking news stories in European papers about it? NO, Want to know why? There are no US troops there, Thank God. Lets take a look at Somalia. In 1991, the US led a humanitarian effort for the Somalis. Ti was a great success and gave control to the UN. A year later, 25 UN peacekeeping forces were killed by Adide. The UN pulled out, but the US was still called in. We went in and attempted to aprehend Adide. We were not successful. But the World blamed the US for acting like the Sheriff despite what the UN asked us to do. Then we can look at Lebanon in 1956 where we helped the legitimate government. Most Arabs still blame the US for helping the legitimate government because of their perception that the government was a lap dog of the West (meaning the uS) even though he was placed into office by the French. So, what is the US to do, IP when it seems that the US is always going to get criticized.

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The only thing the US should be doing is building strong intelligence fighting terrorism, mafias, crime gangs, traffikers, international criminals etc.
In addition to that, building a coalition with other advanced countries and helping other aspiring countries to democracy and development would be another task. But not by sending troops and forcing changes, but by sending peaceful organizations and financial means.
Be the true Good Big Brother to the world, not the Bully.

France: 1944-1946.
Germany: 1945-1948
Japan: 1945-1952
Korea: 1950-1953
Republic of Vietnam: 1954-1975
Kosovo: 1998-2000
Somalia: 19*91-1992
Haiti: 1998-Present

Do any of these places ring a bell, IP. Was the US a bully in each of these incidents? We invaded, we helped establish democracy and foster democracy. In some cases we succeeeded and in some we did not.

So, I am going to give you an article for you to read and hopefully understand where I am coming from:
Understanding Anti-Americanism

by Barry Rubin

August 20, 2004

Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center and Senior Fellow of FPRI. He is co-author, with Judith Colp Rubin, of the just-published book Hating America: A History (Oxford University Press). This essay is based on his FPRI BookTalk on August 12, 2004.

One of the most contentious issues of this presidential election is the high level of anti-Americanism in the world today. Is the problem due to an understandable reaction against the policies of President George W. Bush or rather the product of forces opposing freedom and democracy?

Like many partisan disputes, this debate misses the point and mashes the facts to suit a predetermined objective: whether Bush is the architect of hostility against the United States or the champion of a free world against totalitarians and whether Bush or Senator John Kerry would be a better president.

If one examines anti-Americanism apart from these set arguments, though, a much more accurate picture emerges.

Anti-Americanism is a phenomenon as old, actually even older, than the United States itself. Although it has gone through various periods and emphases, the main themes have remained remarkably consistent, long predating either the influence of Hollywood or America being a great power internationally. Two of the most important are the vision of the United States as a bad society, which threatens to become the model for the whole world, and that of America as seeking global conquest.

For example, the first clear statement of anti-Americanism came from the French lawyer Simon Linguet in the 1780s. The dregs of Europe, he warned, would build a dreadful society in America, create a strong army, take over Europe, and destroy civilization. If one were to be talking about the spread of notions like democracy and liberty, Linguet’s fear was something of a personal premonition. A few years later, he was guillotined by the French revolution.

Similarly, the first use of the word “Americanization” has been traced to an 1867 article in a French journal which warned that the import of American agricultural machinery would end with the elimination of French culture. It is no accident that France has long been the global capital of anti-Americanism. Indeed, the level of hatred toward the United States in the 1920s and 1930s, as well as other decades, has been arguably higher than today.

In considering the roots of anti-Americanism, a dislike of U.S. policies has often been set off against a disdain for American values. Yet there are problems with both explanations. Regarding values, withering criticism and even hatred often arise among people who share those values in broad terms. Europeans are also pro-democratic.

Sometimes, of course, criticism may be on target but what is often being ejected so passionately is either the details of how America interprets those values or a notion of American life based on bizarre stereotypes. For instance, America is seen as typified by capital punishment, yet most states do not put people to death while many Americans oppose this. Thus, capital punishment does not typify America.

By the same token, Americans do not spend all their meals eating pizza and hamburgers. There is a greater variety of culinary experiences available in the United States than in any other country, not to mention the high quality of food that can be found. Another anti-American technique is to compare the average or even lowest level of culture or society in the United States with elite habits in Europe. The average Frenchman does not spend his time reading philosophy and eating haute cuisine.

Most important of all, however, may be the fact that the United States has always been a symbol of modernity. Whatever people did not like about the way the world was heading — urbanization, secularism, mass culture, and so on — was portrayed as a specifically American characteristic. In the Middle East, the nature of American society is even more distorted and misunderstood than in Europe.

The same basic points apply to U.S. policy. One can like or dislike any given American action in the world but what marks the difference between respectful criticism and contorted, even murderous, hatred? If it is assumed that American motives are evil (wanting to steal Iraq’s oil and rule the world), then obviously antagonism will prevail.

One question is whether actions are viewed as mistakes or crimes proving the evil nature of America as imperialistic and aggressive. Another is if a systematically negative vision is portrayed, in which anything positive done by the United States is deliberately ignored while other actions are made to seem negative or worse than they are.

As to the timing of this particular wave of anti-Americanism there are different causes. In the Cold War’s aftermath, the United States is the world’s most powerful country whose political, economic, and cultural influence seemed ever-spreading. It is not surprising that many would perceive that such a strong power was the great threat to their own societies and countries. In a real sense, the current situation is the realization of the two-centuries’-long nightmare of anti-Americans.

In this context, Bush also seemed to fit long-standing anti-American stereotypes in every detail of his life and deportment. The negative image of America is closely tied up with those who could be portrayed as cowboys, religious, conservatives, and unintellectual. Being unpopular doesn’t mean being wrong, however, and only the American voters can determine how they feel about his record and global image.

There is, however, one more extremely important factor that is virtually always omitted in discussions of anti- Americanism: self-interest. Those purveying anti-Americanism have always been those who benefited from doing so, whether promoting their material well-being or ideas.

Dictators use anti-Americanism to convince their subjects to support them. Intellectuals and cultural figures have been the main carriers of anti-Americanism as a weapon against a country whose products compete with their work. Moreover, the spread of the American model would greatly reduce their power and prestige. For Europeans and Middle Easterners, albeit in far different ways, anti-Americanism seems a good slogan to unite around.

Come to think of it, the issue is often used similarly within the United States, as a political tool or a partisan bludgeon. Actually trying to understand the phenomenon in its complexity, however, is the only way to respond successfully to the very real problems it presents us with today.
http://www.fpri.org/enotes/20040820.west.rubinb.antiamericanism.html

A very intersting article Hudson. Unfortunately I don't have time to respond fully at this moment.
But it touches on a few issues worth disussing.
Thanks for posting it.

Later.