**** i am confuse between hudson and houston omg, lmao.

Here, here Someone12! I'm probably not going to hang around this forum too much longer because it irritates the h-e-l-l out of me to hear these visa cheating, green card evading, illegals moan and complain about our laws.
-Proud USC

Before you get too supportive of Someone12, you should at least know that despite all his rhetoric about patriotism, he doesn't even support our troops in Iraq. Some patriot he is...

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Originally posted by templar:

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Originally posted by Hudson:

Actually, they have their own taxation system. Under the IRC, if one is a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico, they only file with the Puerto Rican tax authorities. However, if they do not meet that requirement, then they must file with the IRS and most likely with the Puerto Rican authorities. However, to get benefits as a USC, one does not necessarily have to pay in.

You are stating the obvious. The subject was implicitly about federal tax. While US citizens have to pay federal, state, and local taxes, puerto rican are only subjected to only state and local level taxation.

This arrangement suits them just fine as they were given options to join US completely or become independent but refused. Who doesn't want federal dollars without having to pay tax?

Puerto Rican taxation is a federal tax equivalent to the IRS taxation system. It is not a state or local tax. If it was, then it would base its taxable income on the federal return first. And if one pays to both the Puerto Rican tax authority and to the IRS, one could qualify for the foreign tax credit on their IRS federal return. It was not that obvious to you if you state it is a state or local taxation.

Puerto Ricans, generally, have enjoyed being a commonwealth. Puerto Ricans who want to become a state or who want to become independent are in the minority. However, either becoming an independent nation or a state does have some disadvantages to Puerto Rico and the surrounding regino.

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Originally posted by templar:

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
In this forum, I've read so many negative comments about this country, its government, President and policies, I just got fed up.

Again, I have to throw the 65% stat right back at you. The majority of Americans are fed up with the current policy. All you have to do is pick up any of major newspapers to read negative comments about government, President and policies nowadays.

Are those Americans wrong to do that? Absolutely not. Is it wrong for immigrants to participate in a decenting voice? Again, absolutely not. If majority of people believe the policy is wrong, then maybe there is a need to fix the policy instead of placing blind faith on incompetent politicians.

I have to comment on this. Of course I agree with everything "templar" is mentioning above, however, my personal experience in the many years that I have lived here, is the opposite. The notion of the American people is that foreigners don't have the right to voice their opinion. It is discriminatory and very disheartening; to somebody that only has the wellness of this country at heart - this is the birth country of my children. In my opinion it is good to have a constructive critical view for some of the issues such as education or socialized medicine – just to name these two as an example at spur of the moment. However, it is viewed badly, if I the foreigner issue criticism, whereas it is OK, if an American does it.

I can tell you from experience, that at one point my criticism was shunt for as long as they thought I am a non-American. In order to prove my point, I had to go so far and tell them that I am American born, but grew up outside the country, which then immediately made the criticism constructive and acceptable.

You ask me personally, this is trouble brewing on the horizon!!

Regards,

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Originally posted by whknapp:
Of course, SomeDumb12 is too stupid to realize that ProudUSC is SunRabidUSA. Not even because SunRabidUSA is always praising him and calling him "my friend". In love with him, actually. Disgusting...

Of course someone12 is my Hero too ...on this board ..."whknapp" you must go to eat some milk ...bye,bye..

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It was your decision to come here (alot better than Poland, right IPERSON). I'm sick and tired of hearing immigrants complain about their rights - they don't like our policies, our government, etc., whine, moan, complain - then just leave! We are the best country in the world, like it or not, so if you can't stand behind our government and its decisions, just please leave! I welcome all legal immigrants who appreciate and abide by our laws, but those of you who come here and think you have the right to bash our government and policies, the h-e-l-l with you

Let's see what we can do here for ya.
Enlighten you!
No one likes the US government in the world. In fact it is the worst government that ever existed on planet earth.
Luckily governement does not mean the people, the nation. The US governement doesn't even care about little citizens like you or your rights.

So I, like all other immigrants, do not come here for your government, but for America, and those two things my friend are two totally different worlds.

Now let me ask you a question- do you like your government?

No. Of course not. Not one bright educated American likes what American government does.
I know because I've talked to many of you and many of you distance yourself from the people on the Capital Hill.

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Originally posted by Hudson:
Puerto Rican taxation is a federal tax equivalent to the IRS taxation system. It is not a state or local tax. If it was, then it would base its taxable income on the federal return first. And if one pays to both the Puerto Rican tax authority and to the IRS, one could qualify for the foreign tax credit on their IRS federal return. It was not that obvious to you if you state it is a state or local taxation.

Puerto Ricans, generally, have enjoyed being a commonwealth. Puerto Ricans who want to become a state or who want to become independent are in the minority. However, either becoming an independent nation or a state does have some disadvantages to Puerto Rico and the surrounding regino.

You are evading the issue based on technicality. Federal tax is the tax that is charged by the US government. Purto Ricans simply do not pay federal income tax. No matter how many technicalities or loopholes you are trying to find, it does not change the fact.

Thus, any equivalent tax that they pay should be compared to state and local level. Granted, their own tax rate is higer than any state government in US charges. However, the bottom line is, when all things said and done, thanks to their federal income tax exemption, they pay much lower total amount than US residents do.

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No one likes the US government in the world. In fact it is the worst government that ever existed on planet earth.

Wrongo. We are still popular in the Philippines and Nigeria.

You're also wrong it's one of the worst governments. That's a statement lacking perspective and facts.

Our government is bigger and better than the guy currently occupying the Oval Office and if you pay attention to politics, you'll note the power of that office has been recently diminished via our electoral process. How many governments can do that?

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Originally posted by Houston:
Let me ask something, if Congress decided to pass an amnesty measure would you still "support" those actions without questioning them? There's a material and pronounced difference between freedom of speech and the right to express opinions, and unfounded criticism.

That's a very good argument. I have a vague suspicioin that the very same people who have been screaming to "support the president" would be calling the same president "idiot".

Something tells me ProudUSC is someone.. I know.

I am not bashing the US. I've said that many times here that I love this country and I've met many wonderful people here. The people I've met here are one of the most wonderful on the planet earth.
Just yesterday, I was in a city nearby shopping and I've lost my car key... First time in my life and I felt lost and didn't know what to do. It was already late, the store was closing and there was a couple who lived in a city near mine and after searching for the key all over the place, calling the police to help out, exhausting all options, they offered me to take me home... What a nice gesture. It was an hour long drive on the highway. They live about 20 miles away from me, so that drive wasn't on their way home but they did it.
And its not the first time someone is bailing me out of trouble or helping me out with something.
People here are the most helpful, genuine good natured people I've ever met. I feel good here in this country. I feel good interacting with Americans. They accept you and make you feel welcome. They are genuinely interested in your story.

So that's that. I wouldn't be here if people were hostile and making me feel unwelcome.

to Iperson: once again, you show your true colors....lie to get a student visa, marry some dodo, and then slam the USG....go back to wonderful, modern, advanced Poland, EET.
Solution for illegal immigration/aliens:
give 'em one year to self-deport, face a 2 year bar to readmission, no waivers, no nothing...
criminal aliens (those who have been robbing banks, etc - the ones Houston and Hudson think should be forgiven because Americans run traffic lights) are outta here forever....who needs 'em? And they can take their sub-moronic spouses with them.
After 2 years, those who choose self-deportation (at their own expense) can apply for (and qualify for) visas of various kinds...
those who don't take this last opportunity to demonstrate responsibility and respect for US laws become deportable felons on day 366, subject to immediate deportation upon contact with so much as a meter maid, and they can NEVER return legally to the United States of AMerica....any one of these superdirtbags who sneaks across the border or scams a visa and is discovered serves 25 years at hard labor in the worst prison we have, and then they are deported again, if necessary to Greenland.

Someone, you repeat yourself like a broken record.
And don't call my husband a dodo. He's got two PhDs and is making more money in one week than you do in a whole year.
And you well know I didn't cheat my visa. I suggest you go back to my past posts and read again.

Iperson is merely quoting newspapers. Her quote is then true, because the word around the world is, that the current U.S. government is the worst government ever.

And on the home front: Hillary Clinton is running for office and made this very issue one of her campaign slogans. I quote: "We must restore respect for America around the world!"

Iperson: you lied to get your student visa and your husband's alleged two PHds didn't teach him about green card scamming EETs.
So go on back to beautiful downtown Warsaw and enjoy a true democracy and a modern nation....(yea, right)...

.....what's more, I think Iperson (nor anyone else) in this matter is referring to the form of U.S. government, but to the current president and the last house and senate – way too far to the right.

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.....what's more, I think Iperson (nor anyone else) in this matter is referring to the form of U.S. government, but to the current president and the last house and senate – way too far to the right.

That's exactly what I mean, and that's not a secret.
For some reason some Americans will defend its government even if it slaughtered the whole world, just to appear patriotic.
You ProudUSC and Someone don't really love your own country because of you did, you'd criticize its shortcomings and wanted it to improve.

I don't like the Polish government at this moment either. There's a lot of s.hit going on there too, maybe not Mark Foley or Ted Haggard type or the thousands dead civilians in Iraq, but still, stuff...

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
I'm so proud and glad to be an American that your sorry behinds (Kollerkrot and Iperson) really can't say anything to defend your stance on USA government basing. Pulling out the Hillary Clinton card, huh, Kollerkrot? Don't make me laugh. This country definitely does not need another 4 years with Bill, even if he is only the 'first man'. Been there, done that. There are numerous solid candidates for the upcoming election on both sides - I say we all become involved, informed voters - put aside our political affiliations, and vote for the most qualified candidate to move our governement in the right direction.

How can anyone who puts political affiliations aside vote for anyone in a democracy? That is ludicrous! One is either is a democrat or a concervative.

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
I'm so proud and glad to be an American that your sorry behinds (Kollerkrot and Iperson) really can't say anything to defend your stance on USA government basing. Pulling out the Hillary Clinton card, huh, Kollerkrot? Don't make me laugh. This country definitely does not need another 4 years with Bill, even if he is only the 'first man'. Been there, done that. There are numerous solid candidates for the upcoming election on both sides - I say we all become involved, informed voters - put aside our political affiliations, and vote for the most qualified candidate to move our governement in the right direction.

Why are you so proud and glad that you are an American? Can you give me some details on that?

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Because we are a country where you are free to do almost anything you want to do (provided you are legal). How can you immigrate to this country and ask such a question? Don't you understand loyalty or patriotism? I think you should just go back to whatever democracy you came from since you don't appreciate ours. We don't need you here.

Now that was a really stupid answer. It was patriotic alright, but really, really stupid!!