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  • Obama's Childhood Arrival Promise Graph

    DACA progress
    Comments 30 Comments
    1. An immigrant's Avatar
      An immigrant -
      Lets see if Obama delivers on his commitment.
    1. nena77's Avatar
      nena77 -
      We have two choices in this election, a man that made a promise and reneged on it 4 years ago and then, a man that has lived with integrity, sharing millions of his wealth with his church and other charities. A liar and deceiver will not be my choice in the upcoming election. Immigrants are forced to show CERTIFIED DOCUMENTS at all levels of the petition process and yet the man in office has yet to produce a certified document. I hope the immigrants in our country are not fooled again by this political ploy. President Bush tried to get the Dream Act in Congress. I believe it was 5 votes that kept it from passing and guess which party was in the majority at that time: DEMOCRATS. I will take my chances with the generous and successful businessman. Our office is prepared to help as many as possible and donate our time to Catholic Charities to help fill out these forms. We are very much aware there may be only a window of time for many that qualify, so we need to focus on that and put our energy towards that end. Do keep us updated...on the graph, but Obama does not have my vote this time around.
    1. inteconlaw's Avatar
      inteconlaw -
      Oh, for Pete's sake ILW . . . STOP this unabashed politicizing of this issue. Nena77's comment has no substance other than to bash Obama . . . who is responsible for the present DREAM stop-gap measure? OBAMA! Cut him a little slack and stop turning this forum into a grandstand for Mitt Romney for president. So Nena77 . . . take your "chances" with the man who strapped his dog to the roof of his car. Take your "chances" with the political party that produced Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, both of whom had to resign the offices of president and vice president, respectively, in disgrace. Take your "chances" with the political party that produced Ollie North and the Iran Contra affair. Take your "chances" with the political party that nominated Sara Palin as the vice presidential nominee. Take your "chances" with the political party that put George W. Bush into power for eight years, who took the USA from a budget surplus to a multi-trillion dollar deficit in the flash of an eye and embroiled us in two wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, neither of which has had any benefit to America. Yes, take your "chances" with the political party that now has Mitt Romney as its poster boy . . . the ultimate in greed, riches and lack of concern for the common man.
      Do you want to argue politics . . . . or do you want real immigration reform? I want real immigration reform and the only way to get it is to stop politicizing immigration and stop putting Amnesty riders on otherwise cogent changes the immigration system sorely needs to bring it into the 21st century. The problem with this country’s politics is the power machine that multi-term politicians are able to establish in Washington. The founding fathers never envisioned professional politicians who had never held a real job in their life, or rich kids who can afford to buy the presidency. Let’s get back to basics and let Mexico deal with its own problems and allow America to determine what its own immigration policies will be without a Hispanic uprising. This is not Mexico North, this is the United States of America. Get the Republican Congress to pass the DREAM ACT. Get the to pass cogent immigration reform without an amnesty. Secure our borders through law enforcement, not military intervention and the building of the American Berlin Wall. Move on America . . . Alfred E. Neumann for president in this world gone MAD.
    1. JudKatty's Avatar
      JudKatty -
      I cannot believe that anyone is so misguided as to call The Republican candidate for President, a man with integrity. The Republican party for no better reason than to cripple Immigration reform voted against any and every immigration or immigrant benefit put before them. You blame the president for that? This charitable candidate, about whom you speak so highly, has made his donations, which you know are tax deductible, to religous organizations of which he is a member and to institutions of higher learning that are, again, schools that actively teach religion. Why does he not make his Income tax returns public? What's he got to hide?
    1. benwinograd's Avatar
      benwinograd -
      This graph is incredibly disingenuous. The administration did not "promise" to grant deferred action to 1.4 million people. It promised to grant deferred action to individuals who satisfy the elements of the June 15 memo, which independent organizations have subsequently estimated to be as many as 1.4 million. If fewer people apply--or wait until after the November election to apply--it would hardly be fair to fault the Obama administration. And even if the 1.4 million estimate is correct, and all 1.4 million submit applications on August 15, it would take at least six months to process and approve them.

      I am all in favor of holding the administration accountable. But one cannot distort what the administration has promised and/or set expectations that are impossible to meet.
    1. sedeho771's Avatar
      sedeho771 -
      Correction nena77 --- the dream act of in 2007 was sponsored by Democrats but failed because only 10 Republicans voted for it. So there were not enough votes to break the filibuster. I hope no one listens to the statements you’re spewing without any shred of evidence!
      How can you help immigrants without even getting the basic facts straight?
      ILW, I hope this debate is not about dirty politics but about keeping this administration honest about promises made.
    1. Brother_Hesekiel's Avatar
      Brother_Hesekiel -
      Apparently, Nena flunked basic arithmetic and lacks common sense.

      To understand the President's executive order, it's important to understand the background and circumstances involved.

      There are an estimated 11,000,000 illegal aliens in the U.S., maybe millions more. Deporting a single one costs us, the American taxpayers, about $11,500 on average. Multiplied by 11 million that's $1,265,000,000,000,000.00. Yep. We don't have that kind of cash, not even a fraction of it; in fact, we are so deeply in debt that we maxed out all of our credit cards. That's why we just recently had the issue with raising the debt ceiling. The U.S. government came very close to declaring bankruptcy.

      Furthermore, if we deport about 400,000 illegal aliens per year, it would take us 27-1/2 years to deport all 11 million. We can't deport more, because that would cost money, more money for CBP and ICE agents, more money for judges, more money for detainment centers, and so on. But we don't have more money, and we, the American taxpayers don't want to pay more to deport more.
      So that's the background.

      With cash available to deport up to about 400,000 illegal aliens per year, all of them on credit, the President said to the immigration folks: listen, try to grab the criminals first, before you kick in the doors of school houses and drag children out, or even the little guy who works hard to support his family.
      That's the issue at hand: the biggest bang for our buck.

      He wants to deport 400,000 criminals per year, instead of 100,000 criminals and 300,000 children, while the 300,000 criminals he can’t deport can keep on doing their thing.

      At some end we have to realize that we can't deport them all. This end is the kids who were brought to the U.S. before age 16 to no fault of their own.
    1. lualde's Avatar
      lualde -
      Nena77 must be one of the Rommey's cronies, thus her enthusiast for this man. So, as interconlas said "take your chances" and with your vote try to bring more disgrace to this wonderful country




      Quote Originally Posted by inteconlaw View Post
      Oh, for Pete's sake ILW . . . STOP this unabashed politicizing of this issue. Nena77's comment has no substance other than to bash Obama . . . who is responsible for the present DREAM stop-gap measure? OBAMA! Cut him a little slack and stop turning this forum into a grandstand for Mitt Romney for president. So Nena77 . . . take your "chances" with the man who strapped his dog to the roof of his car. Take your "chances" with the political party that produced Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, both of whom had to resign the offices of president and vice president, respectively, in disgrace. Take your "chances" with the political party that produced Ollie North and the Iran Contra affair. Take your "chances" with the political party that nominated Sara Palin as the vice presidential nominee. Take your "chances" with the political party that put George W. Bush into power for eight years, who took the USA from a budget surplus to a multi-trillion dollar deficit in the flash of an eye and embroiled us in two wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, neither of which has had any benefit to America. Yes, take your "chances" with the political party that now has Mitt Romney as its poster boy . . . the ultimate in greed, riches and lack of concern for the common man.
      Do you want to argue politics . . . . or do you want real immigration reform? I want real immigration reform and the only way to get it is to stop politicizing immigration and stop putting Amnesty riders on otherwise cogent changes the immigration system sorely needs to bring it into the 21st century. The problem with this country’s politics is the power machine that multi-term politicians are able to establish in Washington. The founding fathers never envisioned professional politicians who had never held a real job in their life, or rich kids who can afford to buy the presidency. Let’s get back to basics and let Mexico deal with its own problems and allow America to determine what its own immigration policies will be without a Hispanic uprising. This is not Mexico North, this is the United States of America. Get the Republican Congress to pass the DREAM ACT. Get the to pass cogent immigration reform without an amnesty. Secure our borders through law enforcement, not military intervention and the building of the American Berlin Wall. Move on America . . . Alfred E. Neumann for president in this world gone MAD.
    1. lualde's Avatar
      lualde -
      Excellent comments by interconlaw. This nena77 must be one of the Rommey's cronies and thus her enthusiast for this man.
    1. jskdn's Avatar
      jskdn -
      The administration’s cost estimate of deporting all illegal immigrants in a letter to Sen John Cornyn in 2010:

      “At current budget levels, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has the ability to remove approximately 400,000 aliens in a fiscal year. Our conservative estimate suggests that ICE would require a budget of more than $135 billion dollars to apprehend, detain and remove the Nation's entire illegal immigrant population. Such a budget would constitute a dramatic increase over ICE's current budget of $5.8 billion dollars.”

      That more than the $97 billion dollar estimate given four years earlier.


      Quote Originally Posted by Brother_Hesekiel View Post
      Apparently, Nena flunked basic arithmetic and lacks common sense.

      To understand the President's executive order, it's important to understand the background and circumstances involved.

      There are an estimated 11,000,000 illegal aliens in the U.S., maybe millions more. Deporting a single one costs us, the American taxpayers, about $11,500 on average. Multiplied by 11 million that's $1,265,000,000,000,000.00. Yep. We don't have that kind of cash, not even a fraction of it; in fact, we are so deeply in debt that we maxed out all of our credit cards. That's why we just recently had the issue with raising the debt ceiling. The U.S. government came very close to declaring bankruptcy.

      Furthermore, if we deport about 400,000 illegal aliens per year, it would take us 27-1/2 years to deport all 11 million. We can't deport more, because that would cost money, more money for CBP and ICE agents, more money for judges, more money for detainment centers, and so on. But we don't have more money, and we, the American taxpayers don't want to pay more to deport more.
      So that's the background.

      With cash available to deport up to about 400,000 illegal aliens per year, all of them on credit, the President said to the immigration folks: listen, try to grab the criminals first, before you kick in the doors of school houses and drag children out, or even the little guy who works hard to support his family.
      That's the issue at hand: the biggest bang for our buck.

      He wants to deport 400,000 criminals per year, instead of 100,000 criminals and 300,000 children, while the 300,000 criminals he can’t deport can keep on doing their thing.

      At some end we have to realize that we can't deport them all. This end is the kids who were brought to the U.S. before age 16 to no fault of their own.
    1. my2centsworth's Avatar
      my2centsworth -
      Quote Originally Posted by An immigrant View Post
      Lets see if Obama delivers on his commitment.

      As long as "the parties" keep us bickering as I have witnessed, they win.
    1. demo's Avatar
      demo -
      the republicans attract the immigrants to US from 1998 , and they came here ,and they vote to bush , that means if there is to many foreigners , the people can easy believe , that they are the reason of the nine eleven , the reason of nine eleven was the republicans and cia and mossad, and mi6. please give the immigrants theirs green card.
    1. lamigra's Avatar
      lamigra -
      I'm don't understand.
    1. Dlaw's Avatar
      Dlaw -
      This is sheer propaganda. How can a party who HATES immigrants and minorities, have voted against EVERY immigration reform, even one proposed by President Bush give the. American people a president that would fix the immigration system without mass deportation? Even Romney has advocated for self deportation. It is a shame that ILW would allow this kind of anti-immigrant propaganda on its page. Rmney has nothing to offer on immigration or anything else, he stands for nothing, but is against everything president Obama proposes.
    1. Dlaw's Avatar
      Dlaw -
      This is sheer propaganda. How can a party who HATES immigrants and minorities, have voted against EVERY immigration reform, even one proposed by President Bush give the. American people a president that would fix the immigration system without mass deportation? Even Romney has advocated for self deportation. It is a shame that ILW would allow this kind of anti-immigrant propaganda on its page. Rmney has nothing to offer on immigration or anything else, he stands for nothing, but is against everything president Obama proposes.
    1. bmenefee720@gmail.com's Avatar
      bmenefee720@gmail.com -
      Nena,

      Hang in there. Although I may or may not agree with your position, I will engage you in a mature manner that does not involve name-calling or belittling. We ALL have a right to our opinion and we should be able to voice it without being attacked.

      bmenefee720
    1. inteconlaw's Avatar
      inteconlaw -
      bmenefee720, that is awfully white of you, to the point of chivalry, but opinions are one thing . . . political statements are another. And while you promise to "engage" Nena "in a mature manner" . . . you have not engaged anything, or contributed intellectually to the debate about DREAM. The facts are the facts. The law is the law. Immigration laws need to change and equity should be done for potential DREAMERS, but not to open a floodgate of immigration from the southern border. Each country in this world has its own problems and it is the responsibility of the citizens of each country to assist in rectifying those problems. Mexicans would rather leave Mexico and come to the USA (and send money back to Mexico) than do what it takes to make things right in their own country. American patriots gave their lives to overthrown the English Crown and establish a free country. While our freedoms have been constantly eroded over the past two centuries, we continue to enjoy basic freedoms and prosperity unsurpassed in the world. But America must continue to work not only to keep our freedoms, but to insure that our government protects our people, rather than the people of other counties who come here in blatant violation of our system of laws and then claim to have certain "rights" here. Hogwash. America, like all countries of the world, needs to control, not ban immigration. For more than 20 years the US government failed to properly enforce the immigration laws that were on the books, failed by failing to deport illegals and failing to prosecute employers who employed them, as was envisioned by IRAIIRA. We have to rectify the government's lack of diligence and DREAM is a good way to show humanitarian concern for those who qualify for it, but even DREAM cannot go on forever. Sooner or later America must wake up and illegal immigration must stop.
    1. inteconlaw's Avatar
      inteconlaw -
      From reviewing the above comments, this certainly does not appear to be a hot topic to ILW readers. I know it is not with me. But I will respond to those who believe it will cost a forturne to deport all the illegal aliens. There is no need to deport them. All the federal and state governments need to do is enforce the laws that are on the books and perhaps create a few more that insure that nobody unlawfully present in the United States obtains employment or any other benefits. It is really that simple, but for government, nothing is simple, not even balancing the budget . . . which brings to mind taxes and since this forum seems to have run its course, I will leave it with this musing . . . .

      BAR STOOL ECONOMICS
      Suppose that every day, ten men go out for a beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
      The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
      The fifth would pay $1.00
      The sixth would pay $3.00
      The seventh would pay $7.00
      The eighth would pay $12.00
      The ninth would pay $18.00
      The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.00
      So that's what they decided to do. The men drank in the bar every day and seemed
      quite happy with arraignment, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
      "Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I'm going to reduce the cost of
      your daily beer by $20.00."

      Drinks for the ten men now cost just $80.00
      The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men
      were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the
      paying customers? How could they divide the $ 20 windfall so that everyone would get
      there "fair share
      ?"
      They realized that $20.00 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's
      share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
      So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same
      amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay!

      And so:

      The fifth man like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
      The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
      The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
      The eighth now paid $9 instead of 12 (25% savings).
      The ninth now paid 14 instead of 18 (22% savings).
      The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
      Each of the six was better off than before! And the first four continued to drink for free.
      But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
      "I only got a dollar out of the $20" declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,
      "But he got $10!"

      "Yeah, that's right," shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two?
      The wealthy get all the breaks!"

      "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in union. "We didn't get anything at all.
      The system exploits the poor!"

      The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
      The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers
      without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important.
      They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

      And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works.
      The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them
      too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.
      In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

      For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
      For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
      ---- David R. Kamerschen, PH. D, Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
    1. Brother_Hesekiel's Avatar
      Brother_Hesekiel -
      Wonderful tale.
      Now take this into account and let every of these 10 men have a beer waiting for them every day. The cost for this will be deducted with their taxes. Even if man number 10 won't show up to claim his beer, he'll be paying for it. So the other 9 men really don't give a hoot whether or not he's showing up, as long as he pays his fair share. Unlike drinking a beer, the rich man uses streets and schools and hospitals and it's only fair that he pays the most, as he's left with so much more money afterward, unlike the poor who have nothing left. If the rich man wants to leave the United States, let him. He's not working for the good of his fellow Americans anyway, he's not creating jobs, he's just amassing a fortune which is transferred to a tax heaven.
    1. intecon's Avatar
      intecon -
      Oh come now Brother Hesekiel . . . I think thou protest too much. Rich people don't create jobs? . . . . who do you think owns the factories and the businesses in America . . . the poor? And why should a rich man pay more to use a street or a hospital, or for a beer for that matter? We are not talking about the fairness in the price of goods here . . . the "Wonderful tale" was a joke about taxes and fair share of the payment of taxes, which we all know is weighted in favor of the rich. If all the rich men left the United States and left the poor of this country to run it . . . what in the **** do you believe would happen? We need rich, successful, educated people in this country. We do not need illegal, uneducated shouvel swingers who obtain SSI and food stamps for their US citizen children who they birthed at public expense by going to the emergency room of a hospital for deliver.

      We need laws that will allow more H-1Bs to come to the USA to bring their talents and contribute to our nation of immigrants. We do not need rewards for those who enter the USA in contravention of law.

      We need the DREAM act to make things right for good kids who were brought here by their parents through no fault of their own. We do not need to include in the DREAM act, legalization, or a path to legalization for their law breaking parents. We need enforcement of employer sanctions and a national identity card - we already have a quasi national identification . . . the Social Security Card . . . which is an inefficient way to manage what could be a manageable situation. We need a lot, but Congress will not give it to us because they are too busy being politically correct, not wanting to offend "Hispanic voters". Since when did an illegal vote? And to those legal Hispanics who side with their illegal Hispanic brethern on the sole basis that they are all Hispanic . . . . are raciest, as my good friend Roger Algase likes to point out at ever turn of the argument in his ILW articles. Any decision based on race is raciest, whether it is political, personal or legal. The coin has two sides and there is no room in America for racism, for as the Declaration so eloquently states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--" Of course, in order to be allowed these pursuits in this nation of laws, one must abide by the laws of the nation, for we are a country of laws, not men. What part of that don't the "immigrant's rights" group understand?
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